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Interesting how through and through communists, can also claim to be religious..?

Some of the links are lengthy, but well worth reading in full.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Rome

In the winter of 2012, something surprising happened to Vladimir Putin: He discovered, as he wrote in a government newspaper, that Russia isn't just an ordinary country but a unique "state civilization," bound together by the ethnic Russians who form its "cultural nucleus." This was something new. In his previous 12 years in office, first as Russia's president and then as prime minister, Mr. Putin had generally stayed away from grand pronouncements on culture and ideology.

And Mr. Putin wasn't done with this theme. Elected in March 2012 to a third term as president—in the face of massive antiregime protests, replete with banners and posters scorning him personally—he told the Russian Federal Assembly the following year that it was "absolutely objective and understandable" for the Russian people, with their "great history and culture," to establish their own "independence and identity."

What was this identity? For Mr. Putin, it was apparently easier to say what it was not: It was not, he continued, "so-called tolerance, neutered and barren," in which "ethnic traditions and differences" are eroded and "the equality of good and evil" had to be accepted "without question."

To Mr. Putin, in short, Russia was exceptional because it was emphatically not like the modern West—or not, in any event, like his caricature of a corrupt, morally benighted Europe and U.S. This was a bad omen, presaging the foreign policy gambits against Ukraine that now have the whole world guessing about Mr. Putin's intentions.

There is ample precedent for this sort of rhetoric about Russian exceptionalism, which has been a staple of Kremlin propaganda since 2012. In Russian history, the assertion of cultural uniqueness and civilizational mission has often served the cause of political, cultural and social reaction—for war and imperial expansion, as a diversion from economic hardship and as a cover for the venality and incompetence of officials. As the great 19th-century Russian satirist Mikhail Saltykov-Shchedrin wrote: "They [the powers that be] are talking a lot about patriotism—must have stolen again."

The pedigree of Russian exceptionalism stretches back to a 16th-century monk, Philotheus of Pskov, a city about 400 miles northwest of Moscow. Constantinople had fallen to the Turks a century earlier and Rome was possessed by the "heresy" of Catholicism, so it fell to the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, Philotheus averred, to preserve, strengthen and expand the only real and pure Christianity: the Russian Orthodox faith.

Muscovy wasn't just a growing principality but, Philotheus wrote, a "Third Rome," endowed by God with a sacred mission to redeem humanity. Such ideas were ready-made for the centralizing ambitions of the founders of the modern Russian state, Vasily III and his son, Ivan IV, known as "The Terrible." This is how Ivan became "czar," the first Russian sovereign to be so crowned—a title derived from Caesar and, in the new state mythology, a ruler whose authority could be traced back to Augustus himself.

"Two Romes have fallen. The Third [Rome] stands, and there shall be no Fourth," Philotheus declared with a literary flourish, which has inspired Russian messianism ever since. Ivan the Terrible, for his part, responded during his reign (1547-84) with incessant wars in the West and the East, imperial expansion and sadistic purges.

These are the seeds of Mr. Putin's newly adopted worldview.

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http://online.wsj.com/articles/why-putin-says-russia-is-exceptional-1401473667

In the name of the Father: Jacob’s law on politics and religion

In the Gospel according to Jacob (Zuma, that is, not the son of Isaac and grandson of Abraham in the Old Testament) there are a whole lot of us going to Hell for sins against the government. Zuma, who is an “honorary pastor” of the Full Gospel Church, is now a regular commentator on the nexus between politics and religion. He has fascinating insights on how God perceives the African National Congress, its supporters and its critics. As it turns out, religious gatherings are a convenient campaign platform; so expect to hear a lot more political rhetoric at a pulpit near you.

The ANC was founded in a church in Bloemfontein in 1912 and several of its founding leaders were clergymen. Many of its original values were derived from the church and other religious teachings. Even the ANC anthem Nkosi Sikelel’ iAfrika (on which the South African national anthem is based) was a hymn composed by a lay preacher Enoch Sontonga.

During the struggle against Apartheid, churches provided refuge to freedom fighters, supplied chaplains to liberation organisations and some religious leaders were at the forefront of the United Democratic Front.

The historical association between the church and the ANC is indeed deeply entrenched over its 101-year existence. Post liberation, the ANC has attempted to embrace all religious faiths and all its major events now commence with interfaith prayers. The party’s leaders, from Nelson Mandela onwards, occasionally attended religious services across faiths as a show of respect and to promote religious tolerance.

In recent years, churches have become powerful campaign platforms and politicians attendance at big religious events translate into passive endorsement for them and their parties. The Zion Christian Church (ZCC) has an estimated six million followers, which is why leaders such as President Jacob Zuma and expelled ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema, now leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), have attended the mass gathering of the ZCC at Moria in Limpopo over Easter. Zuma has also visited the four million strong Shembe Nazareth Church, which is a mixture of Zulu tradition and Christianity.

During his court cases and in the run-up to the ANC national conference in Polokwane in 2007, Zuma attended several church services for prayer and blessings to help with his respective battles with the National Prosecuting Authority and against former president Thabo Mbeki for leadership of the ANC. In 2007, Zuma was also ordained as an honorary pastor in the Full Gospel Church. On the election campaign trail to become state president in 2009, Zuma visited numerous churches, including the Rhema Bible Church in Randburg.

As long as the church leaders are consenting, there is obviously nothing wrong with the president and other political leaders visiting and seeking spiritual guidance for the important task of running the country. But for some time now, Zuma’s interpretations and use of religion in electioneering has raised eyebrows and drawn heavy disapproval from religious purists.

Zuma’s initial testament of a celestial link with South Africa’s ruling party was a month before the 2004 elections, when he declared “The ANC will rule until Jesus comes back”. The implication was that the ANC would be in power till the end of time, unchallenged and untroubled by any earthly political rivals.

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Again on the campaign trail in 2008, Zuma expanded on the statement, this time in an effort to save the Western Cape from again falling into unblessed hands. Speaking at an ANC rally in Khayelitsha, Zuma said: “We shall build this organisation. Even God expects us to rule this country because we are the only organisation which was blessed by pastors when it was formed. It is even blessed in Heaven. That is why we will rule until Jesus comes back. We should not allow anyone to govern our city (Cape Town) when we are ruling the country.”

There are obviously too many non-believers in the Western Cape as it remained firmly in the Democratic Alliance’s hands.

It seemed that criticism for invoking God’s name for electioneering only encouraged Zuma to ramp up the sermons and parables. Campaigning in the Eastern Cape in the run up to the 2011 local government elections, Zuma said:

“When you vote for the ANC, you are also choosing to go to Heaven. When you don’t vote for the ANC you should know that you are choosing that man who carries a fork… who cooks people.

“When you are carrying an ANC membership card, you are blessed. When you get up there, there are different cards used but when you have an ANC card, you will be let through to go to Heaven.

“When (Jesus) fetches us we will find (those in the beyond) wearing black, green and gold. The holy ones belong to the ANC.”

He got wild applause then, but a few months later Zuma had to apologise to the SA Council of Churches for “misusing” Jesus’ name on the campaign trail.

By the end of 2011, the president had either a change of heart or a revelation of sorts as he blamed religion, particularly Christianity, for the loss of humanity in society. He said the arrival of Christianity brought problems for Africans.

“As Africans, long before the arrival of religion and [the] gospel, we had our own ways of doing things. Those were times that the religious people refer to as dark days but we know that, during those times, there were no orphans or old-age homes. Christianity has brought along these things,” Zuma said.

Christianity was back en vogue this weekend, and God was shining brightly on the government. Addressing the 33rd Presbyterian Synod in Giyani, Limpopo, on Sunday, Zuma said those who insult leaders in positions of authority would be cursed. Zuma was quoted by The Star as saying: “If you don’t respect those in leadership, if you don’t respect authority then you are bordering on a curse.”

“Whether we like it or not, God has made a connection between the government and the church. That’s why he says you, as a church, should pray for it,” Zuma said, urging the church to pray for politicians who insult leaders.

Zuma has invoked religion very effectively to make political points and vow eternal damnation on his opponents. He has also found receptive audiences at church gatherings and religious leaders who quite enjoy the prestige and attention of the president coming to visit. Zuma obviously has no qualms about misinterpreting scripture and invoking God’s name in vain, as long as there are crowds to lap it up.

In the coming months in the build up to the 2014 elections, there will obviously be lots more sermons on the mounts and laying of hands, not only with Zuma as the anointed one but many other political leaders desperate for spiritual guidance, endorsement and support from the faithful. Malema has already ventured beyond the borders for his spiritual enrichment when he led the EFF’s “central command team” on a visit to the Synagogue SCOAN Church of All Nation International of the great Prophet of God T B Joshua in Nigeria.

It might be indulging in the “opiate of the masses” or “drinking from the well of living water”, but making election promises is so much easier if it comes sanctioned by God.

Like the Lord, politicians work in mysterious ways.

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...bs-law-on-politics-and-religion/#.U4p3D4ZKWPI

Religious leaders, as usual, quite happy to get into bed with any regime, that allows the church leaders to keep bleeding the people, for their "cold, hard, cash."

Zuma, govt ‘put in place by God’ – church federation

“The church federation strongly rejects the allegation that President Zuma’s administration has marginalised the churches and wants to co-opt some church leaders,” said the AAFC’s national spokesperson Harry Leputu.

The federation said it was defending Zuma’s leadership and government because that leadership was “put in place by God”.

South African church ministers and theologians recently wrote a letter to the ANC, expressing a feeling of alienation from the ANC since President Jacob Zuma started leading the party.

In the letter titled, “Theological and ethical reflections on the 2012 Centenary Celebrations of the African National Congress: A word to the ANC in these times”, the clerics accused the ruling party of trying to impose a concept of “state theology”, which results in co-opting church leaders who support the ANC.

http://www.citypress.co.za/news/zuma-govt-put-in-place-by-god-church-federation-20120421/

Theological and ethical reflections on the 2012 Centenary Celebrations of the African National Congress: A word to the ANC in these times

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As we enter into the second century of the life of the ANC, we hope that the ANC will learn that a church that collaborates uncritically with the party or the State can be of no use to the party in terms of its national strategic objective. A National Democratic Revolution (NDR) requires constructive critical voices within civil society to save the very revolutionary objectives of the party, which is always at risk as our human nature tends to slide into sectarian and self-interests in contrast to the interests of the people, especially the poor.

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http://kairossouthernafrica.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/kairos-logo/

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The ANC Commission for Religious Affairs

THE strong religious and humanitarian motivation of many ANC members has always been important. It helped bring the organisation into being. It underlined the principles of the Freedom Charter. It helped keep faith alive when liberation seemed far away.

Religious people and institutions fired the struggle at home, and in exile ANC Religious Committees functioned in Lusaka and London.

The inter-faith ANC Commission for Religious Affairs (CRA) was established by the NEC in December 1995, with representatives from the main communities of faith.

It has a spiritual function which, includes a chaplaincy; a political function which relates spiritual and theological insights to current issues; and a religious function in promoting understanding and cooperation with religious bodies.

The CRA is based in Albert Luthuli House in Johannesburg, and is being established in every Province.

http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=2681

Religious group wants meeting with Zuma
Apr 9, 2010 2:56 PM | By Sapa
The National Religious Leaders Forum (NRLF) requested an urgent meeting with president Jacob Zuma to discuss ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's conduct.

The group said it also wanted to discuss the rise in hate speech and racism, the president's initiative to establish a moral code, and the future of the interfaith movement's relationship with the state.

The NRLF was set up on the request of former president Nelson Mandela, 15 years ago, and is the most powerful, representative and the only legitimate interfaith body in the country.

The NRLF said it was committed to the ideals of dialogue, respect, nation building, reconciliation and renewed efforts at national cohesion.

The religious leaders pledged to continue to harnesses the tremendous power and potential of the religious communities to work together in order to promote social cohesion, social upliftment, poverty eradication and values that enhance moral regeneration.


The NRLF held a meeting on Wednesday at which they decided to call a meeting with the President.

The executive members of the NRLF are SA Council of Churches secretary general Eddie Makue; head of the Anglican church, Archbishop Dr Thabo Makgoba; Chief Rabbi of SA, Dr Warren Goldstein; secretary general of the Muslim Theologian Council, Moulana Ebrahim Bham; heads of the Catholic Church, Archbishop Buti Tlhagale and Cardinal Wilfrid Napier; Buddhist leader Peter Just; the leader of the Bahai community, Shohreh Rawhani; secretary general of the Dutch Reformed Church, Dr Kobus Gerber; leader of the Hindu community, Archbishop Serafim of the Orthodox Church; and Ashwin Trikamjee and Bishop Ivan Abraham, heads of the Methodist Church.

The NRLF said it was not the same organisation as the recently established National Interfaith Leadership Council (NILC), which was "under the auspices of the African National Congress".

The NRLF said it was saddened by the establishment of NILC because it believed an alternative body could be divisive, but it welcomed NILC members to join the NRLF.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article395954.ece/Religious-group-wants-meeting-with-Zuma

The Ten Commandments according to Jacob Zuma

FEATURE: Jacob Zuma has, over the last five years, spent much time advocating his and the ANC’s religious credentials: that his is a party endorsed by God, that it will rule till the end of days, that its enemies will suffer damnation, that he is like Jesus, even that an ANC membership card is a ticket into heaven. I have organised all his religious rhetoric into ten key ideas – everything Jacob Zuma has ever said about the ANC and religion. Not only does it serve as a helpful archive but jointly and separately his statements paint a picture of a profoundly undemocratic leader with scant regard for the constitution or the basic tenets of democracy.

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http://inside-politics.org/2012/09/17/the-ten-commandments-according-to-jacob-zuma/

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Lastly, a very interesting article and a whole book I just found, by googling the title I had chosen for the thread, to see if there was more info that would be informative...

Myths about communism & atheism

During the Nazi era along with German Catholics in the 1920s and 30s, and through the 1950s American anti-communist hysteria, right wing fanatics helped fuel the idea that communism meant an absence of religion and a promotion of atheism. Today, this myth still lives in the minds of many political conservatives and religionists.

However, nowhere in the Communist Manifesto or in USSR's Constitution (even during the height of the cold war) does there occur any mention of atheism. Nor did the USSR ever exterminate religion. On the contrary, nothing in Communism disallows religion. Noteworthy appears the fact that the Communist Manifesto (i.e., Manifesto of the Communist Party) compares Christianity with socialism:

"Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy, water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat."

Article 34 of the 1977 Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics states that,

"Citizens of the USSR are equal before the law, without distinction of origin, social or property status, race or nationality, sex, education, language, attitude to religion, type and nature of occupation, domicile, or other status."

Communism describes an economic and social belief system, based on the concept of community ownership rather than individual ownership. It says nothing about promoting atheism or eliminating religion.

Although there certainly occurred prosecutions against Russian churches in the early 1900s, the powers of communism did this out of political concerns, not for religious or atheist reasons. Communists desire the control of all social resources and this includes its religious instruments just as it does its industry and agriculture. This served as one of the reasons why Stalin reintroduced the Russian Orthodox Church where it exists to this day.

Perhaps the most quoted "reason" for connecting atheism to communism comes from Karl Marx's statement:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of the heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people."

This statement does not come from his communist philosophy, but rather from his critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right. It also does not express a statement about atheism or about the absence of a god, but rather an observation about religion. Note that many people who believe in god but who renounce religion agree with that statement. Pure individualist Protestantism, for example, correlates precisely with Marx's statement.

Karl Marx makes this clear from his own observation:

"It is possible, therefore, for the state to have emancipated itself from religion even if the overwhelming majority is still religious. And the overwhelming majority does not cease to be religious through being religious in private.... The emancipation of the state from religion is not the emancipation of the real man from religion."

--Karl Marx (Bruno Bauer, The Jewish Question, Braunschweig, 1843)

That doesn't sound atheistic at all. At all.

Moreover, how does one explain communism's alleged atheism when other social and communist countries during the 1970s and 1980s, especially South American countries, embraced Christianity, especially Catholicism?

Note that virtually all books that attempt to connect atheism with communism have come from religious organizations or religious authors who have an obvious bent against a rival and competing belief-system. Indeed, Communism, at least the brand of Russian communism, has served as a threat to certain brands of Christian denominations, but this reflects no more an alignment with atheism than the history of Catholicism against Protestantism, or Protestantism against Catholicism, or Islam against Christianity or Christianity against Islam.

Believers have always portrayed enemies of religion as practicing subterfuge, propaganda, and by false labeling (and always doing the same themselves), and the same goes with arguments against Communism, for Communism describes a kind of religion in itself, a worship of the god of state instead of a god who dictates. Communism competes against religious dogma because it itself describes a dogma.

How can anyone explain the founding members of communism in terms of atheism with hardly a mention of atheism coming from them? Unfortunately even many atheists fall prey to this myth. Just because Bolshevik Communism curtailed the churches, what in the world has this got to do with atheism by that fact alone? If a hurricane swept through a Christian city and destroyed all the churches, should we blame it on an atheistic hurricane? If, indeed, communists justified their beliefs through atheism, then where do we find their arguments? In religious crusades, pogroms, and inquisitions, for example, we find a plethora of theological arguments to justify these atrocities from the theologians and religious believers themselves.

But what atheistic reasons did the Communist leaders use? Where do we find their exegesis? One should think that with all the claims and accusations we should find abundant sources. Where do we find them? Although I have not read the entire works of Marx and Stalin, I tried but failed to find where they even admit to their own atheism, much less an elucidation about their philosophy of atheism. This seems rather odd considering all the hoopla spent, ad nauseam, on the subject of atheistic Communism. Imagine a god based religion started by people who rarely speak about God, and you get a flavor of the absurdity of the atheist-Communism argument. So whenever some believer wants to defend the evils of religion by comparing it with the evils of Communist atheism, simply ask for the evidence of atheistic justification. I submit that they haven't a clue about what they talk about.

Let me give you a little challenge. Surely the great "Atheist," Karl Marx must have opined about atheism somewhere, so find an article or essay where Karl Marx explains or writes about atheism, either as a philosophy, or belief system. No? Better yet, find where he admits his atheism even in one sentence.

Although Communism represents a dangerous and unworkable belief system, it has nothing to do with atheism (and as an atheist, I abhore communism). On the contrary, its emphasis on the loss of ownership and giving one's self to a "larger" idea has more in common with Christianity than atheism. The story of Jesus and his disciples in the Gospels describes an exemplary example of a communist life style. Simply substitute or add government as the ideological belief and you have the basis for communism. In the end both Communism and religion hold a dangerous commonality: they both represent belief systems.

Interesting factettes:

Karl Marx came from Jewish parents but his father embraced Christianity and the entire family got baptized as Protestants.

Stalin came born into religion. Raised by a deeply religious mother, he attended a parish school, and later entered a theological seminary. It occurred during his theological training when he began his radical communist thinking. Much of his temper and intolerance matches that of the religious teachings of his day.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/facts.htm

Russian Messianism
Third Rome, Revolution, Communism and After

Russian messianism is the view that the Russian people are the chosen people. This idea has preoccupied some of the most well-known Russian writers for centuries: through suffering and adherence to Orthodox Christianity, the Russian people will redeem the errors of humanity.

When the USSR collapsed in 1991, many in the West expected a new era of freedom to dawn, whereas in reality most Russians are nostalgic for the Soviet period and many blame the USA for their present problems.This is the first book in English for half a century to analyse the complexities of Russian messianism as a whole and its interaction with communism. The book spans Russian history, from the claim of the medieval monk Filofei that Moscow was the Third Rome to Lenin’s idea that Western capitalism would collapse and Russia could show the way out of crisis, right up to the present day.

Peter Duncan considers the Orthodox roots of messianism and also focuses on Russia’s geopolitical experience and situation to explain its endurance. This unique work will be of great interest to those engaged in politics and Russian studies, as well as to professionals dealing with Russia.

http://f3.tiera.ru/1/genesis/580-584/581000/09fc5459a6269f750093bc4f06808234
 
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bejesus & holy crap . . . .
presenting a dissertation so early on a sunday morning is a somewhat cruel & unusual punishment to impose
 
People who want to be in charge will use any means necessary to take/stay in power. Religion is an easy method, since it's already a means of control.
 
Most Russians want their country to dominate the globe - poll
May 29, 2014

The majority of Russians think their country should return to superpower status or at least become a regional leader, a new public opinion poll has shown.

According to research conducted by VTSIOM, the All-Russian Center for Public Opinion, 42 percent of the population want Russia to become “a great power, like the USSR was once.” Another 41 percent said that the country must become one of the 10 or 15 most developed and influential countries in the world. 10 percent wanted Russia to become the leader of post-Soviet nations and only 4 percent answered that Russia should not pursue goals of global or regional leadership.

The poll was conducted in mid-April 2014.

The number of those wanting superpower status for Russia was the highest among all the categories for the first time since VTSIOM began polling on this subject in 2003. Last year most people (44 percent) favored Russia “entering the club of developed and influential nations” and 37 percent supported the pursuit of superpower status. 7 percent of last year’s respondents lacked any ambitions whatsoever.

Answering the question what factors are influencing the nation’s status, 52 percent of Russians named the modern developed economy, and 42 percent strong military forces.

As many as 82 percent of Russians consider their country to have a large or very large influence on international affairs, the VTSIOM research shows.

The head of VTSIOM’s political research directorate, Stepan Lvov told the business daily Kommersant that the change of preferences was most likely caused by the recent political events demonstrating the growth of Russia’s influence on the international arena – mainly the accession of the Crimean Republic to the Russian Federation.

A professor of the renowned Russian diplomatic university MGIMO, Valery Solovey, agreed with this, adding that the current events in Ukraine also give Russian citizens “a vague feeling of strength.” The political scientist said that this might be caused by the efforts of the Russian mass media that provide a “Russo-centric” picture of the world, as for most Russians personal experience of international relations was still scarce.

The accession of Crimea and Russia’s attempts to mediate the Ukrainian crisis in order to avoid casualties and ensure the protection of civilians were also named as primary reasons of the recent boost of President Vladimir Putin’s popularity rating.

According to the Levada polling center, Putin’s approval rating hit an all-time high this May reaching 83 percent, compared to 72 percent in early March and about 65 percent in the beginning of the year.

http://rt.com/politics/162256-russia-global-domination-preferences/

The long term strategy unfolding. http://europe.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Brief5-0803-Russia.pdf
 
Russia to Build 100 New Military Bases and Airfields
27/06/2013

MOSCOW, June 27 (RIA Novosti) – About 100 new defense infrastructure facilities, including airfields and Army and Navy maintenance and supply bases, will be built in Russia to accommodate new weapon systems, a top military official said Thursday.

By 2016, 316 garrison towns are to be built, their number due to increase to 495 by 2020, said General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the General Staff of Russia’s Armed Forces, adding that more than 3,000 facilities, including barracks, parking lots, cafeterias, etc., would be built in those locations.

All of those facilities will be put into operation months before new arms and military equipment are delivered, he said. Other installations are slated to include air, land and naval test sites and advanced training centers.

All of that will help significantly enhance personnel training standards and make the Armed Forces more efficient, Gerasimov said.

In early May, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said the share of new weaponry in service with the Russian armed forces must be up to 75 percent by 2020. Russian officials previously cited rearmament goals of 30 percent by 2015 and 70 percent by 2020.

The Russian government has allocated 22 trillion rubles ($730 billion) for an ambitious armed forces rearmament program through 2020.

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/2013...ild-100-New-Military-Bases-and-Airfields.html

Russia Seeks Access to Bases in Eight Countries for Its Ships and Bombers
February 28, 2014

At a time of escalated tensions with the West over Ukraine, Russia says it is negotiating with eight governments around the world for access to military facilities, to enable it to extend its long-range naval and strategic bomber capabilities.

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Wednesday the military was engaged in talks with Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Algeria, Cyprus, the Seychelles, Vietnam and Singapore.

“We need bases for refueling near the equator, and in other places,” ITAR-Tass quoted him as saying.

Russia is not looking to establish bases in those locations, but to reach agreement to use facilities there when required.

The countries are all strategically located – in three leftist-ruled countries close to the U.S.; towards either end of the Mediterranean; in the Indian Ocean south of the Gulf of Aden; and near some of the world’s most important shipping lanes in the Malacca Strait and South China Sea.

Access to the new locations would extend the Russian military’s potential reach well beyond its existing extraterritorial bases, at the Syrian port of Tartus and in former Soviet states – Ukraine’s Sevastopol, Armenia, Belarus, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and the occupied Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Shoigu said Russia was also beefing up its existing military presence in the post-Soviet region, doubling its troop numbers in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and deploying a regiment of troops to Belarus where it already has fighter aircraft stationed.

“Russia has started reviving its navy and strategic aviation since mid-2000s, seeing them as a tool to project the Russian image abroad and to protect its national interests around the globe,” the RIA Novosti state news agency commented.

“Now, Moscow needs to place such military assets in strategically important regions of the world to make them work effectively toward the goal of expanding Russia’s global influence.”

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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...s-bases-eight-countries-its-ships-and-bombers

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Lastly, a very interesting article and a whole book I just found, by googling the title I had chosen for the thread, to see if there was more info that would be informative...

Communists were very anti-Christian. Even in the 80s in Eastern Europe if you were a party member going to church was seen very negatively and was a serious no-no. If you wanted to have a position over a certain level, you had to be in the party.

Of course in the 20s/30s priests and religious people were exterminated.

USSR was an atheist country and its constitution paid lip service to religion. Modern day, clueless atheists in South Africa can try to wave this away but the fact is their counterparts to the East were responsible for the worst atrocities ever committed.
 
It should be noted that Commies used and continue to use other appealing concepts. Things such as "human rights". Rights of workers. Rights of women. Rights of the proletariat. Add further rights these days. Funnily enough in all these Commie countries the workers were some of the people who were the most oppressed.
 
Putin isn't a Communist though.

Highly debatable. It's doubtful that anyone who volunteered for the KGB, and Putin really did volunteer for the KGB, was anything but a dyed in the wool communist. There is every indication that Putin's government is just the KGB by another name.
 
Highly debatable. It's doubtful that anyone who volunteered for the KGB, and Putin really did volunteer for the KGB, was anything but a dyed in the wool communist. There is every indication that Putin's government is just the KGB by another name.

Whether Putin was a Commie then is not debatable, he was. Now, I don't think so considering there is an actual Communist Party in Russia and Putin's policies differ from it.
 
bejesus & holy crap . . . .
presenting a dissertation so early on a sunday morning is a somewhat cruel & unusual punishment to impose
He's talking nonsens as usual. Hysterical conspiracy theorist is all, with an obscure list of bookmarks quotiung similar believers.
 
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