Secret Sanral e-toll plans legal fight

And they expect the public to blindly comply, that wont happen with me
 
I'm just becoming more apathetic towards this country, I so feel for the people, but the masses is uneducated and I don't see it changing soon, and what can I do more then voting, avoiding e-tolls, and complain on forums?

The problem is I'm part of a few that can pay for this r@ping, but I don't want to! I can just see how the current govers will exploit every opportunity the corrupt can lay their hands on, even at the price of the people that vote for them. Does this bother me, of course, I'm just one of the lucky few that will be able to immigrate if that ever needs to happen, reason for me becoming apathetic, let time runs it course.

This really makes me sad and I don't know what to do about it.

/rant
 
i'm glad that the monster Sanral finally shows its head ( although its behind closed doors, and the previously disadvantaged will almost never hear about this )

It just proves that they actually did their best to keep the pricing away from the tax payers here in Gauteng - not caring at all about the effect on the economy.

need to keep standing against oppression like this!!!!!
 
They haven't even refined their strategy from what they learned in Gauteng.

Still trying to hide plans, build e-troll gantries, and suddenly announce massive new tax that no-one supports. Then when the public outcry comes, they'll claim they consulted with the public. The plans were on display at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory, at the bottom of a dark staircase, with a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard".
 
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Hi All

They have already taken over the N17 toll road. Others toll roads will be taken over soon. Their main aim is to have one toll account does not matter were you drive in ZA.
 
Hi All

They have already taken over the N17 toll road. Others toll roads will be taken over soon. Their main aim is to have one toll account does not matter were you drive in ZA.

Sanral is responsible for all national roads already
 
Still trying to hide plans, build e-troll gantries, and suddenly announce massive new tax that no-one supports. Then when the public outcry comes, they'll claim they consulted with the public.

Exactly, this is a brilliant move by the DA down there, because they are forcing Sanral to admit to actively opposing consultation
 
Don't we pay enough already in the Western Cape with double the national norm for licensing your vehicle?
I was always under the impression we paid double the national norm to help maintain our roads. Where does that money go?

SANRAL was constituted improperly in the beginning stages ........ Simple things that should have been deemed important like a non-profit, mission-driven organisation that strives continuously to achieve a safe and efficient national road network were replaced and heavily complicated with BEE and transformation politics that go to the root of the organisation for procurement, supply chain management and objectives.
While the principle of BEE are accepted as the norm in this country I am afraid it has led to certain connected people scoring to the detriment of the rest of the country. SANRAL creates tons of paperwork with strategic plans and more objectives when simple things like actually fixing the road is for some day in the future when and if everything is 100% BEE compliant with more and more hangers on all furnishing services to SANRAL that costs millions, millions that should be going straight towards fixing the roads.

Simplistically, a large construction Company the likes of Murray and Roberts could have done the paperwork within a few weeks and built the necessary infrastructure already, for a lot cheaper than a complicated organisation where the devil is in the detail as every slow process that does not come to fruition is one missed opportunity, a less safer road for us and more costs down the line which we have to foot.

There was no need to Toll any road within South Africa, the easiest method of collecting revenue was through the fuel levy, all that had to be done was to take that money and apply it to projects Civil Engineers could have worked out long ago and a team of auditors could have policed.
All the necessary skills are here in South Africa, the Companies that can do the work are here, the people that can create the software needed are here.

SANRAL was doomed from the start, it is far too complicated for the average South African to understand. Their structure is top heavy with lots of wages for little return. The same amount of money could have bought a team of civil engineers and a few professionals for a percentage of the costs of a complicated corporate structure.
If this was a private Company it would have gone broke long ago.
 
It will be interesting to see what grounds the court would see as justification for not releasing all figures.
 
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Toll-verdict-a-win-for-transparency-Outa-20140829

Johannesburg - It is important that the detailed costs of proposed tolling projects are open for scrutiny by the very people who are expected to pay for these services, said Opposition To Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) chair Wayne Duvenage.

"We believe it is extremely important that the detailed costs of proposed tolling projects, along with the planned tolling tariffs, expected revenues and the costs due to the tolling operators are open for scrutiny by the very people who are expected to pay for these services, before the toll declarations and plans are approved by the authorities," said Duvenage.

Outa said on Friday that it is pleased with the victory of the City of Cape Town in the Western Cape High Court.

The City opposed the application of the SA National Roads Agency (Sanral) to keep documents pertaining to plans for tolling in the Western Cape secret.

"Sanral’s attempt to prevent the City of Cape Town from filing papers in an open court is just another one of many examples of how this state owned entity displays a disregard for citizen’s rights of an open and transparent approach to matters that impact the public," Outa said.

"Over the past few years, Sanral has demanded confidentiality of its contracts in the court papers in Outa’s e-toll case and has blacked out pages of the e-toll contract agreement supplied to Cosatu and the DA in 2011."

Sanral also refused to share its tolling model when requested to do so by the media in 2011.

“The fact that Sanral feels otherwise is a display of disrespect to the people of South Africa and an attitude of gross arrogance,” said Outa.

Outa strongly opposes the tolling of highways in urban areas and believes that commuter routes fall into the category of social infrastructure and should be funded using general taxation and the fuel levy.

"Sanral’s choice of forcing the e-toll system into Gauteng has been a waste of tax payer’s money and this kind of behavior begins to undermine the legitimacy of the state," said Outa joint spokesperson John Clarke.

"It appears the City of Cape Town may be able to avert the same fate that was destined for its roads, if Sanral had its way."

Clarke said he “feels the two victories by the City of Cape Town against Sanral, has dealt a massive blow against the once respected state owned entity’s plans to toll in that region”.

"This victory will now enable the public, economists and infrastructure funding experts to scrutinise Sanral’s tolling model and expose the problems and rationality of their plans," he said.
 
“The fact that Sanral feels otherwise is a display of disrespect to the people of South Africa and an attitude of gross arrogance,” said Outa.

At the end of the day Sanral is the ANC's baby, so this can be said of the ANC. If only we had the DA in Gauteng the e-toll abomination would have been avoided altogether.
 
At the end of the day Sanral is the ANC's baby, so this can be said of the ANC. If only we had the DA in Gauteng the e-toll abomination would have been avoided altogether.

Not necessarily. SANRAL answers to the national government, not the provincial government. And the ANC controls Parliament either way. But yes, it would have been much harder for them without cooperation.
 
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