Fibre internet in Gauteng on Openserve (Telkom) network

^This.
I would also assume that Telkom is going to boost the upload speed for its own customers first, before - or indeed, even if - it upgrades those connected through resellers.
(My (WebAfrica) connection's still at 20%, despite a couple of power-cycle reboots.)

biena, what's up with your (Telkom/Telkom) connection these days ?

Very happy with my contract so far, no problems and very stable.

It is now 50% e.g 10Mbit/s (tested it last week and it was [-]25%[/-] 20%)

Testing from Telkom
Selecting best server based on latency...
Hosted by Reflex Solutions (Johannesburg) [0.43 km]: 18.66 ms
Testing download speed........................................
Download: 19.14 Mbit/s
Testing upload speed..................................................
Upload: 9.15 Mbit/s

Contract term 16 of 24 months
Beginning to wonder what is will happen when the contract is over.
 
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Could someone with a new install post some pictures of the cable markings. Curios if Telkom started using new cable or not.
 
Very happy with my contract so far, no problems and very stable.

It is now 50% e.g 10Mbit/s (tested it last week and it was [-]25%[/-] 20%)



Contract term 16 of 24 months
Beginning to wonder what is will happen when the contract is over.

Given Telkom, they will renew it for another 24 months. Maybe give you a 50 rand discount for that contract's remainder. :whistle:
 
FTTH inside gated communities ("estates") in Pretoria

Today I was helping an elderly couple in an estate in Pretoria East to interpret the various internet connectivity options available to them, including FTTH. I thought I'd relate parts of the story, since it's very relevant to this thread and also demonstrates the following things quite nicely :

  1. How Telkom-based FTTx inside gated communities (aka "estates") is typically working.
  2. How an apparent lack of FTTx options on the official Telkom FTTH/FTTB coverage map doesn't always reflect reality.
  3. Some background info and contact names for people in the same position.
As background:
For people living in free-standing houses (not estates), where Telkom FTTH infrastructure has been provided in the streets and between blocks, the situation is now pretty straightforward : You can sign up for a Telkom-based FTTx connection, with Telkom itself, or another ISP of your choice, as soon as your area is marked as 'available' on the Telkom coverage map. The provision of a suitable route for the final "drop cable" from the nearest access point (typically a pole, or manhole) to a designated point in your home, is your baby. In the simplest installation scenarios, you can leave that part to Telkom's installation team and take pot luck as to the end result. Or, you can climb in and get it done the way you like. And since that part will be on your own property, you can do it however the hell you like :D.

For people living in estates or complexes, things are - as always, with such places - more complicated. Telkom can provide FTTx infrastructure on public property and servitudes right up to the estate's front gate, but once inside the gate, special arrangements are needed to traverse estate property. The Body Corporate or Homeowner's Association (HOA) has to make arrangements with suitable service provider(s) to provide all the necessary infrastructure (trenching, manholes, ducting etc) and to install a suitable fibre backbone passing each dwelling. Many estates don't permit aerial reticulation for such services, so this is a non-trivial underground project, especially in a big estate. In addition, each homeowner will usually end up having to provide ducting from the nearest fibre manhole(s) at the boundary of the property, to a suitable central point in the house, at his/her own cost. The more forward-thinking estate planners and architects would typically have made provision for underground telecommunication services well before starting construction of houses, however this is most often not the case.

From Telkom's point of view, estates and larger gated communities are a juicy target for FTTH. Particularly in the more upmarket estates, there is a lot of buying power concentrated in one area, so it's in their interests to market to these communities. Telkom appear to have set up a specific division to assist gated communities with FTTH rollouts, and in suburbs where the infrastructure exists, they're marketing it quite aggressively to the larger estates and complexes. Telkom is typically offering new subscribers 2 months' free internet service at a fairly Rolls-Royce level (100Mbps, 100GB per month) in order to move product. Hard to go back to anything else after that!

What also seems evident is that Telkom is making use of the services of dedicated fibre service providers to perform trenching, ducting and commissioning inside the estates where they've closed such deals. For instance, several folks on this and other similar threads have reported seeing Huawei technicians working inside the estates (see here).

The elderly couple I mentioned live in The Wilds, an estate in the east of Pretoria, just off Devillebois Mareuil Drive. (Note : For people already living in The Wilds, all of what follows should already be old news, if your Body Corporate / HOA is doing its job of communication properly. For the rest of you, read on.)

On the Telkom FTTx coverage map (as of now, August 2016), the FTTx situation in The Wilds looks pretty bleak : FTTx not even planned, let alone available :
20160823 FTTx around The Wilds (Medium).jpg
To make matters worse, an abundance of FTTH activity all around. Everywhere except in The Wilds!

In reality, however, things are quite different. It appears that The Wilds has signed up with Telkom (?) for the provision of a fibre backbone within the estate, which will be capable of carrying broadband (data), voice and certain other services. From what I've gathered, this backbone will be used to carry a basic intra-estate "intercom" system that facilitates communications for the usual controlled access arrangements, along with a "panic-button" system. Each unit will contribute R150 per month for these services. In addition, individual houses will be able to sign up for voice services (fibre telephone) and broadband internet at their own cost.

In the case of The Wilds, it seems that their FTTH project is already quite far advanced. Much of the trenching and ducting within the estate appears to have been completed, and I'm told that some households and small businesses are already connected. The drive to get people signed up for the 2-month free internet trial is in full swing, and Huawei staff are on site to commission subscriber-side equipment and facilitate the process on behalf of Telkom.

For interest, I've attached an example of the letter that is typically sent to homeowners in estates where deals like this have been concluded between Telkom and the HOA/BC.

For people in estates and complexes where deals like this haven't yet got off the ground, the division inside Telkom that deals with this kind of scheme seems to be "Gated Community Services" (GCS). GCS can be reached by email at [email protected] or on 080-011-1250. This desk seems to handle mostly support for existing GC fibre clients.

As regards complexes looking to get connected with fibre, Antony Naude is involved in the marketing of FTTH to gated communities. He can be reached at [email protected] or on +27-81-363-2104.

Estates that I'm aware of where this kind of thing is already underway include :


PS : If you're living in one of the estates/complexes where a scheme like this is starting up, and you happen to be reading this, please post on this thread and share your experiences!


PPS : Regardless of whether you're in an estate or a free-standing house, the second attachment ("Telkom More Information.pdf") has a couple of sketches that give good guidance on how to provide a proper access duct from the boundary of your property into the house. For example :

20160823 FTTH ducting guidelines (Medium).JPG

With reference to this post, I read the annotation at the bottom of the last sketch somewhat wryly : "A separate duct to each dwelling no linking of dwellings on the same duct allowed.". (sorry, p[ay3r !).
 

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I've dropped a post into the Mooikloof Ridge thread as some of the guys there have recent experience of "housing complex" style installations where the same issue may have cropped up.

And a reply from SirMCDeats:

Hi jcheek and p[ay3r,

What happened in my case was, abbreviated:

- When telkom came to install, there was no infrastructure, all the pipes in the house meant for this kind of cabling just ended underground somewhere.
- Spoke to the body corporate, they just gave me a bunch of excuses (eg: take it up with MNT etc).

How I resolved the problem:

I eventually had to pay for a private contractor to come out and install new ducting etc to the fiber manhole. It cost me around 5k, but this will vary based on the distance from your house to the manhole.

PM me if you want the info for the chap that assisted me. He dealt with the body corp to get all the necessary approvals etc.
 
With reference to this :
In the case of The Wilds, it seems that their FTTH project is already quite far advanced. Much of the trenching and ducting within the estate appears to have been completed, and I'm told that some households and small businesses are already connected. The drive to get people signed up for the 2-month free internet trial is in full swing, and Huawei staff are on site to commission subscriber-side equipment and facilitate the process on behalf of Telkom.

This:
Fibre in "The Wilds Estate" (across Woodhill College) was switched on last week [7 Jul 2016].
 
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So in their current advertising, WebAfrica's 40Mbps/R938pm package is being advertised as having a 200GB cap. Prior to the "double data" promotion in July, the same price only bought you 100GB. There's a disclaimer to say the current doubling is temporary and will be reviewed in September, but given that they're advertising the package openly at 200GB, it seems a safe bet that it'll become a permanent feature and thus match the other offering(s) in the market.

It's now official :

20160824 WebAfrica double data extended.JPG

PS : Also see the MyBroadband article (of 25 Aug) on the WebAfrica price drop here. You read it first on this thread! :D)
 
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An interesting observation : With the latest round of "cap-doublings" from Telkom and WebAfrica, the marginal cost of fibre data (at the 200-1000GB/month level) from at least one of the providers has now dipped below the magic R1/GB level. This is referring to capped packages only, of course.

Back at the time I did my original comparison between FTTH offers from Telkom, MWeb, WebAfrica and Vox in May 2015, the marginal cost of the cheapest capped fibre data was around R3/GB at the 200GB level (see here).

Taking WebAfrica's current (Aug 2016) pricing for example, their retail line rental for a 40Mbps OpenServe line is (still) R739pm, and their "add-on" costs for the various capped fibre data packages are as follows (sources : here and here) :

40GBpm @ R79pm = R1.98/GB
120GBpm @ R149pm = R1.24/GB
200GBpm @ R199pm = R1.00/GB
400GBpm @ R399pm = R1.00/GB
600GBpm @ R599pm = R1.00/GB
1000GBpm @ R899pm - R0.90/GB
2000GBpm @ R1660pm = R0.83/GB

So basically a 66% market price drop in 15 months. Not too shabby.
 
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Looks like Telkom will be going live in my suburb shortly.Thanks for all the posts in this thread, been very informative and educational.
 
Thanks for all the posts in this thread, been very informative and educational.
You're very welcome, ajules, certainly from my side and doubtless from all the other thread contributors too.
The feedback from the early FTTH roll-outs around Cape Town certainly helped this thread get going, so lets hope we Pretorians can pay a little back !

Looks like Telkom will be going live in my suburb shortly.
That's great! Here's hoping you have a short wait and smooth sailing, whichever network and ISP you end up choosing.
Drop us a line when you're up and running, or even before then, if you need to.

Thanks for the support!
 
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Looking back at where the "50% upload speed" first appeared on this thread :
I ordered my line through ISPAfrika ... Using the 20Mbps option on an Afrihost account I have so far had extremely good performance during any time of the day.
Local speed test :
20160610 Speed test.JPG
I see that on their OpenServe packages, ISPAfrika (like Telkom itself) also advertise the 20Mbps package as having 5Mbps (25%) upload speed :
20160828 ISPAfrika uncapped FTTH 20Mbps.JPG

... and yet plakkie got 50% upload from the get-go.

So it might be that the 50% upload thing is a newish development that's not yet officially advertised by Telkom or any of the ISPs using the OpenServe network. On the ground, however, it seems that new OpenServe connections are typically getting 50% upload by default, and existing ones are slowly being upgraded.
 
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Here's hoping you have a short wait and smooth sailing, whichever network and ISP you end up choosing.
Drop us a line when you're up and running, or even before then, if you need to.

Thanks for the support!
Will certainly do so.Cheers.
 
I'm to lazy to read through all the threads. So by any chance can someone point me to a package that similar to my ADSL? We will be getting telkom FTTH soon but need some more info before go from ADSL to Fibre.

I'm currently on the following package. MWEB 4mb/s uncapped premium ADSL. I have 4mb/s ADSL but as far as I can read up on it i don't see why I should go fibre cause all data packages is either not enough data or cost to much. I want something that I can do 4mb/s with 600gb data for R539 cause that's what I pay for the data package at mweb. According to a sales person at mweb I have a threshold of 600GB per month but I do anything between 300-400gb per month. If I go for higher speed than 4mb/s the usage will go up due to streaming at higher quality.

So please suggest me a package I can go with. Oh and I'm a gamer as well.
 
I'm to lazy to read through all the threads.
Even just this one ? Eish.


So by any chance can someone point me to a package that similar to my ADSL? We will be getting telkom FTTH soon but need some more info before go from ADSL to Fibre.
I'm currently on the following package. MWEB 4mb/s uncapped premium ADSL. I have 4mb/s ADSL but as far as I can read up on it i don't see why I should go fibre cause all data packages is either not enough data or cost to much. I want something that I can do 4mb/s with 600gb data for R539 cause that's what I pay for the data package at mweb. According to a sales person at mweb I have a threshold of 600GB per month but I do anything between 300-400gb per month. If I go for higher speed than 4mb/s the usage will go up due to streaming at higher quality.
So please suggest me a package I can go with. Oh and I'm a gamer as well.
The retail line rental for OpenServe 4Mbps fibre is around R439pm, so your data will have to be on top of that. At R1/GB, that's going to cost R600, so R1039 straight away. Better to look at slow uncapped, I think; especially since you're a gamer.

Maybe have a look at something like ISPAfrika/OpenServe (4Mbps/Uncapped) for R599pm, or WebAfrica/OpenServe (4Mbps/Uncapped) for R624pm.
 
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I'm to lazy to read through all the threads. So by any chance can someone point me to a package that similar to my ADSL? We will be getting telkom FTTH soon but need some more info before go from ADSL to Fibre.

I'm currently on the following package. MWEB 4mb/s uncapped premium ADSL. I have 4mb/s ADSL but as far as I can read up on it i don't see why I should go fibre cause all data packages is either not enough data or cost to much. I want something that I can do 4mb/s with 600gb data for R539 cause that's what I pay for the data package at mweb. According to a sales person at mweb I have a threshold of 600GB per month but I do anything between 300-400gb per month. If I go for higher speed than 4mb/s the usage will go up due to streaming at higher quality.

So please suggest me a package I can go with. Oh and I'm a gamer as well.

Telkom-FTTH has the same packages/thresh-holds as ADSL.
 
Even just this one ? Eish.



The retail line rental for OpenServe 4Mbps fibre is around R439pm, so your data will have to be on top of that. At R1/GB, that's going to cost R600, so R1039 straight away. Better to look at slow uncapped, I think; especially since you're a gamer.

Maybe have a look at something like ISPAfrika/OpenServe (4Mbps/Uncapped) for R599pm, or WebAfrica/OpenServe (4Mbps/Uncapped) for R624pm.

according to opeserve it's not the same as Telkom FTTH
 
Telkom-FTTH has the same packages/thresh-holds as ADSL.

What's the thresh-hold? i want to do at last 400GB per month or more. We do buiness related stuff and the MWEB package we on now has served us well. I actually feel dumb asking this question cause I'm in IT but here it goes. When i get Telkom FTTH can't i just continue to use my current MWEB package or do I need to apply for a new package. I don't see why I should go fibre now as the only advantage is latency for me and speed is not really advantage cause I'll have to pay more for my data now.
 
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What's the thresh-hold? i want to do at last 400GB per month or more. We do buiness related stuff and the MWEB package we on now has served us well. I actually feel dumb asking this question cause I'm in IT but here it goes. When i get Telkom FTTH can't i just continue to use my current MWEB package or do I need to apply for a new package. I don't see why I should go fibre now as the only advantage is latency for me and speed is not really advantage cause I'll have to pay more for my data now.

Same package, the issue is that you have to apply for e.g. the Mweb package which includes the line + data.
A lot of people went the route of getting the smallest ISPAfrica package + 100Mbps line and then just got a normal DSL capped package from e.g. Afrihost which goes at line speed. Just be careful that the capped products support that line speed, with e.g. WebAfrica you have to call them to have 100Mbps activated, which I don't understand if it's the same product, else 40Mbps is the max.

With Mweb these are the threshholds (unless they've been updated):
screen-shot-2015-09-01-at-12-04-57-pm.png

Not sure what they are on higher speed packages, but if you look at it, premium is 100x line speed in GB, standard is +-25-30GB/Mbps. Assuming they cap it at the TB mark though.
 
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