ADSL and analogue line bundles: is Telkom playing fair?

Naked adsl won't ever be reality in our country(Luxury tax is required - due to cable theft). Unless ISP are willing to come to the customers premises, do the installation, maintain the network etc. In the event of cable theft replace the copper. Pay for the diesel at the exchange..
 
Responding to Telkom’s competitive advantage

Afrihost, Cybersmart, and Webafrica all said they haven’t taken this matter to the authorities as yet.

While Afrihost said it was considering its options, Cybersmart and Webafrica said they have no interest in taking it further.

“We will not be doing an individual complaint because it is just too expensive to do so,” said Fialkov.

“Telkom has drawn out previous complaints to such lengths that even when they lose the damage is already done. They get slapped on the wrist with a fine and promise profusely not do it again – a promise that they have yet to keep.”

Wright said for Webafrica’s part, they are still expecting big market moves as a direct result of Telkom’s recent IPC price cuts.

“What really comes of this, only time will tell,” said Wright.
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Right there, That's why we won't have naked ADSL, because the people who have the power to make it happen, doesn't give a fck. If the ISP's put their BS aside and just partner up on this one thing and jointly take Telkom to court then it will be better for this country in the long run.

I wish we had more innovators, because yea fiber rollouts yea jippee, NO! It's going way to slow and telkom will sweep in and dominate that area too unless theses oaks grow a pair and partner up and take them to court for the greater good of SA's broadband landscape.
 
On the other side, it makes fiber look very competitive, and in the long will be the death of DSL for Telkom. You bring Fiber in my area and I drop Telkom in seconds.
 
Off topic and apologies ahead of time but this always bugged me, I assume that as a CEO Laurie Fialkov makes a decent amount of money ? If then why cant he afford a decent dentist ?
 
BBotha said:
On the other side, it makes fiber look very competitive, and in the long will be the death of DSL for Telkom. You bring Fiber in my area and I drop Telkom in seconds.
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Problem is the ISPs don't want to act so the fiber that will be brought to your area will be Telkom FTTH.
 
sparticus said:
Off topic and apologies ahead of time but this always bugged me, I assume that as a CEO Laurie Fialkov makes a decent amount of money ? If then why cant he afford a decent dentist ?
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Priorities, you don't need teeth in his relationship
 
Stop lying Fialkov, I am 400m away from your fibre and it apparently costs AT LEAST R35000pm over the next 24 months before you will install. So with your calculation, you are at least 20x more corrupt then Telkom.

And I still don't understand why no one is teaming up with cell companies to offer some form of wireless service, they have so many towers all over the country.

And if any company can install fibre at or below R 3000 into my home and charge the adsl rates on a monthly basis (I save on voice line rental) I will gladly pay. The R5000 figure is simply ridiculous considering wisps can install for R1500
 
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sparticus said:
Off topic and apologies ahead of time but this always bugged me, I assume that as a CEO Laurie Fialkov makes a decent amount of money ? If then why cant he afford a decent dentist ?
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... or a razor :D

Seriously, it's time he gave MyBB a new photo for their articles.
 
Thor187 said:
Problem is the ISPs don't want to act so the fiber that will be brought to your area will be Telkom FTTH.
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The ISPs do not want to spend any money on infrastructure & would prefer it if someone else did it so they can ride on top of it.
 
Voice and data runs on the same line. Therefore there is no way naked ADSL will make sense at Telkom.
They should just have a line cost to clear the confusion. Make it line rental + adsl line cost to start with.
What you do on the line is your choice.
That's how I see it, and it makes it easier, though not acceptable (price too high):twisted:, to accept.
 
Instead of bleating like a flock of sheep they should build their own network .
People want to ride on the back of other companies to make money , build your own network FFS.
 
I know its short sighted on my part but as a consumer I would be angry if the other ISPs went to court to force Telkom to discontinue their discounts / bundled promotions.
 
ISPs should go to the competition commission and stop complaining to journalists as that doesn't achieve anything
 
I said it a few years ago and am happy to see Telkom at last abuse their market position to the benefit of the consumer.

If they can bundle everything together and offer great prices the I say stuff their competition. The other big ISPs cannot be really suffering so badly if they can throw so much money around, eg. the Afrihost directors bought out axxess with their own money. If Mweb ISP was doing badly then Naspers would have disposed of them together with Mweb Business. So their must still be plenty of value there. I also don't see the WebAfrica directors pleading poverty.

I also predicted a consolidation in the ISP market and that has already started to happen. ISPs will have to sink or swim or join a bigger shoal else they will be gobbled up.

And as mentioned earlier, if they really want to compete let them build their own networks.

A question to the other ISPs: Is Telkom's move a good or bad thing for us cash-strapped consumers?
 
well the question wasn't put to us (CW ... other ISPs). The move by Telkom really doesn't affect the dynamic and the allegations of it being an anti-competitive move are misplaced

Ultimately Telkom need to forge ahead with the retail and wholesale split and recognize the extent to which they are failing in the retail sector to handle the customer base. It is really necessary for Telkom's network to be fully leveraged and that isn't going to happen so long as the million or so subscribers who simply wont take up a Telkom utility telephone service but want broadband internet access are unable to be fully accommodated.

In my personal capacity I have a long track record of arguing for proper unbundling and adhering to the ECA - look at the question of LLU.

At this juncture ISPs need two things from Telkom - a wholesale price for a circuit line from customer premises ("Naked DSL") and the ability to perform the retail functions of consumer voice lines - require a deposits and minimum spend if need be.
 
crackersa said:
and this article comes up again. nothing is going to change unless Telkom is taken to court.
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You think it will make a difference? Even the competition commission couldn't do anything.

Thor187 said:
Problem is the ISPs don't want to act so the fiber that will be brought to your area will be Telkom FTTH.
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There's Telkom, MTN, Vumatel, Octotel, Frogfoot, 123Net, Vodacom etc.
It's not like there's a lack of interest from the larger providers.
 
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