Job seekers burn plantation

Mila said:
I do? assumptions is the mother of all f ups. But that's ok. Keep on telling yourself that.

Why are they more entitled to a job than a person from another part of the country?
Yes they should be considered in front of foreigners, but fellow country men with a better schooling. No that is entitlement.
And burning things shows why they weren't employed in the first place.
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Go back and read my post again, I never said they were entitled. How about try and being empathetic and maybe you will get a better understanding to actually what's going on.

I will say it again, their govt failed them and they don't even know it
 
Mila said:
Entitlement.
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crackersa said:
Easy to say when you have a decent job, house and food. They govt let them down and some don't even know it
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Mila said:
I do? assumptions is the mother of all f ups. But that's ok. Keep on telling yourself that.

Why are they more entitled to a job than a person from another part of the country?
Yes they should be considered in front of foreigners, but fellow country men with a better schooling. No that is entitlement.
And burning things shows why they weren't employed in the first place.
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crackersa said:
Go back and read my post again, I never said they were entitled. How about try and being empathetic and maybe you will get a better understanding to actually what's going on.

I will say it again, their govt failed them and they don't even know it
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I think you missed something. Yes the government failed them. I agree.
 
Perhaps the "thinking" is "if we can't work there then no-one else will either". It's an isotope of the crude egalitarianism in ubuntu that comes up with things like 'pass one, pass all'.

On the other hand, perhaps the company's requirement of a matric is unwise. Minimum education requirements, just like minimum wage laws, always hit the poor the hardest.
 
crackersa said:
Easy to say when you have a decent job, house and food. They govt let them down and some don't even know it
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What let's people down is expecting the government to sort out their lives. Anyone who sits on their bum waiting for the world to fix their problems is not likely to enjoy the results.
 
Arthur said:
Perhaps the "thinking" is "if we can't work there then no-one else will either". It's an isotope of the crude egalitarianism in ubuntu that comes up with things like 'pass one, pass all'.

On the other hand, perhaps the company's requirement of a matric is unwise. Minimum education requirements, just like minimum wage laws, always hit the poor the hardest.
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The poor don't pay for schooling, and now get free tablets to flog off on the weekends. The "matric requirement" hasn't been put there to get people with an education to work in a plantation - a monkey could probably do it. It's in place to weed out any unsavory applicants - the unfortunate irony is that it only attracted unsavory applicants, who then set fire to everything. And yes, I agree with the sentiment that this is a culture of entitlement: why bother working your arse off to get somewhere in life like most of the people in this country (black, white, indian, coloured, etc) when you can just sit on your arse with your hand out? The government they voted into power (how's that free washing machine and t-shirt working out for you now?) promised them ALL jobs, so I suppose it's expected that work will just magically appear.
 
they should have burnt down the centre of corruption - luthuli house.

but since they have chosen to set fire to the property of a prospective employer, may they enjoy trashcan dining on the side of the highway
 
Chris.Geerdts said:
You can image the frustration that builds up with these young adults - poor quality schools, no job prospects and not that much to do (in Ugie and Mclear - no offence). Our country has really let them down.
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No, the ANC has.

Yet is the private companies that suffer the losses.

As a result of the destruction, maybe PG Bison will have to let staff go?
 
crackersa said:
How about try and being empathetic and maybe you will get a better understanding to actually what's going on.
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You will find that most decent people have a hard time empathising with people who burn and destroy property and businesses.

Also it is such a copout to blame government for your actions. They choose to burn and loot and destroy instead of changing their vote or engaging in peaceful process and dialog to resolve the issue.

Or hell, maybe they coyld have spent some time paying attention in class and learning something and getting 30% in the joke they call matric there days.
 
Kilgore_Trout_Redux said:
You will find that most decent people have a hard time empathising with people who burn and destroy property and businesses.

Also it is such a copout to blame government for your actions. They choose to burn and loot and destroy instead of changing their vote or engaging in peaceful process and dialog to resolve the issue.

Or hell, maybe they coyld have spent some time paying attention in class and learning something and getting 30% in the joke they call matric there days.
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We can hardly blame a few separate acts of arson on a whole town who simply want to keep warm with their burning tires during their informal street party to show off their trendy dance moves. Obviously the news story leads with the burning forests, but these people have every right to table their grievances. Some are obviously more civil than others but I suppose the 10% rule applies here.
 
Kilgore_Trout_Redux said:
getting 30% in the joke they call matric there days.
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I know today's matric is easy but harping on the 30% of these days is a bit silly. 30% or rather 33.33% has always been a pass in SA's grade 12 even prior to 94. Yes I know this was a lowering from some higher figure in the 80s or before IIRC, but that 30% ain't new.
 
R13... said:
I know today's matric is easy but harping on the 30% of these days is a bit silly. 30% or rather 33.33% has always been a pass in SA's grade 12 even prior to 94. Yes I know this was a lowering from some higher figure in the 80s or before IIRC, but that 30% ain't new.
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I honestly don't recall that. I failed science (chemistry paper) as I got below 50%.
 
ponder said:
I honestly don't recall that. I failed science (chemistry paper) as I got below 50%.
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Actually here are the grades,

In South Africa, the grading system used in secondary schools until 2008 (when the Outcomes Based Education or OBE curriculum took over) was as follows:
Code 7 (A Symbol): 80 - 100%
Code 6 (B Symbol): 70 - 79%
Code 5 (C Symbol): 60 - 69%
Code 4 (D Symbol): 50 - 59%
Code 3 (E Symbol): 40 - 49%
Code 2 (F Symbol): 35 - 39%
Code 1 (FF Symbol): 30 - 34%

The list is incomplete, I assume the above don't include the failing grades from G down to H.
 
R13... said:
I know today's matric is easy but harping on the 30% of these days is a bit silly. 30% or rather 33.33% has always been a pass in SA's grade 12 even prior to 94. Yes I know this was a lowering from some higher figure in the 80s or before IIRC, but that 30% ain't new.
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On lower grade it was 39% and only about 5% of the school was on LG. ( I was in 8 different schools in different provinces)
Pass rate on HG was 59% and standard grade was 49%.

Maybe they lied to us?

Oh and my parents were hard on me, SG wasn't an option.
And just passing HG wasn't an option either.
 
R13... said:
Actually here are the grades,

In South Africa, the grading system used in secondary schools until 2008 (when the Outcomes Based Education or OBE curriculum took over) was as follows:
Code 7 (A Symbol): 80 - 100%
Code 6 (B Symbol): 70 - 79%
Code 5 (C Symbol): 60 - 69%
Code 4 (D Symbol): 50 - 59%
Code 3 (E Symbol): 40 - 49%
Code 2 (F Symbol): 35 - 39%
Code 1 (FF Symbol): 30 - 34%

The list is incomplete, I assume the above don't include the failing grades from G down to H.
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I got an F(49%), I failed science. Based on your logic I should have passed which I did not. I had to do a rewrite in Jan, got high 60's & got my matric exemption in order to study further.

33.33% was never a passing grade in those days.
 
Mila said:
On lower grade it was 39% and only about 5% of the school was on LG. ( I was in 8 different schools in different provinces)
Pass rate on HG was 59% and standard grade was 49%.

Maybe they lied to us?

Oh and my parents were hard on me, SG wasn't an option.
And just passing HG wasn't an option either.
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You have it slightly backward (and the numbers are wrong), but HG had a lower mark requirement for pass than SG. SG required 50% (I think). And if you got below a certain level in HG you got bumped down to SG and passed.
 
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