GFSA want the SAPS disarmed

ToxicBunny said:

GFSA are a bunch of retards basically.

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supersunbird said:

Never thought otherwise.

I always say:

Get the guns out of criminals hands and then we can disarm the others too GFSA...

I'm still waiting

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Ranger T said:

Yeah...the title pretty much says it all. How stupid can you be? SMH...

http://gunservant.com/2015/08/20/gfsa-wants-the-saps-disarmed/

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The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun

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Electron1 said:

How many cops have been shot in the last 2 weeks?
GFSA GTFO!

Edit - I agree with Justice Project SA's twitter post:

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During a cross-examination at the Farlam commission, Riah Phiyega admitted that the R5 rifles used at the Marikana massacre are still being used.

National police commissioner Riah Phiyega made a startling admission on Wednesday: the police are still using deadly R5 rifles in public order policing and crowd control operations.

These rifles were used on August 16 2012, during the operation that led to the Marikana massacre, and they are still being used by public order police officers. Phiyega made the revelation under heavy cross-examination by retired judge Ian Farlam, who chairs the Marikana commission of inquiry, sitting in Centurion.

Increased risk of injury

This is despite the fact that the use of R5s go against international public order policing norms, and the fact that they “significantly increase the risk of injury”, according to Farlam. The police were also given specific advice by an international policing expert that the use of R5s was “totally unacceptable”.

The expert, Cees de Rover, gave evidence at the commission. He told the police that using R5s was extremely dangerous and violated international policing best practice. This is for two reasons, as explained by Farlam on Wednesday. First, a bullet fired from an R5 rifle will travel for up to 600 metres after it is fired. The risk of injuring bystanders was therefore significantly increased.

As Farlam explained, “unless you know exactly what is behind your target for 595 metres…” Second, bullets from these rifles disintegrate. Farlam said this was the reason the commission had been unable to establish exactly which police officer shot at which miner on August 16. This makes holding individual officers accountable for killings at Marikana, and other operations like it, extremely difficult.

And at Marikana, Farlam said, one of those killed was a young man who went to the koppie to bring his uncle lunch. He was shot 200 metres away from “scene one”. Phiyega admitted that in spite of this, the police had not stopped using R5 rifles.

Police allowed to use lethal force

“Do you accept that this is irresponsible?” Farlam asked Phiyega. “No, chair,” said the commissioner. Farlam asked her why the police had to use that particular rifle. “Why not an R1, for example?” he said. Counsel for the police intervened and said that legislation allowed the police to use lethal force in self-defence. But Farlam said this did not answer his question.

“I’m not even saying that the use of lethal force should not be allowed. I understand that. But my question is, why does it have to be an R5, which significantly increases the risk of injury? Why not an R1 or a pistol?” he said.

There was some confusion as to whether the R1 was more or less powerful than the R5 rifle. Farlam said expert testimony on the subject would be sought. Phiyega said the police was presently assessing its use of ammunition and said it would also abide by whatever the commission’s recommendations were in this regard.

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OrbitalDawn said:

lol @ the sensationalism. They don't want SAPS disarmed, they're talking about stopping them from using 1 specific type of firearm in public order policing.

And reading the article they reference actually makes a good point - are these rifles a good idea for use in crowd control situations?

Farlam: Police use of deadly R5 rifles 'unacceptable'

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OrbitalDawn said:

lol @ the sensationalism. They don't want SAPS disarmed, they're talking about stopping them from using 1 specific type of firearm in public order policing.

And reading the article they reference actually makes a good point - are these rifles a good idea for use in crowd control situations?

Farlam: Police use of deadly R5 rifles 'unacceptable'

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OrbitalDawn said:

lol @ the sensationalism. They don't want SAPS disarmed, they're talking about stopping them from using 1 specific type of firearm in public order policing.

And reading the article they reference actually makes a good point - are these rifles a good idea for use in crowd control situations?

Farlam: Police use of deadly R5 rifles 'unacceptable'

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OrbitalDawn said:

lol @ the sensationalism. They don't want SAPS disarmed, they're talking about stopping them from using 1 specific type of firearm in public order policing.

And reading the article they reference actually makes a good point - are these rifles a good idea for use in crowd control situations?

Farlam: Police use of deadly R5 rifles 'unacceptable'

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Ranger T said:

Since when is it an NGO's place to dictate to any SAPS division which tools they are allowed to use, and under which circumstances? Today they remove R5s from the POP division, tomorrow from others. This is *NOT* a good idea by any measure. Anyone with any understanding of policing will see it for what it is.

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Ranger T said:

Also, Judge Farlam frankly has no clue what he is talking about. The technical inaccuracies in the so-called "judgement" are astounding, and frankly embarrassing. But hey, let us take away those evil guns with "untraceable bullets".

*Roll Eyes*

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This is despite the fact that the use of R5s go against international public order policing norms, and the fact that they “significantly increase the risk of injury”, according to Farlam. The police were also given specific advice by an international policing expert that the use of R5s was “totally unacceptable”.

The expert, Cees de Rover, gave evidence at the commission. He told the police that using R5s was extremely dangerous and violated international policing best practice. This is for two reasons, as explained by Farlam on Wednesday. First, a bullet fired from an R5 rifle will travel for up to 600 metres after it is fired. The risk of injuring bystanders was therefore significantly increased.

As Farlam explained, “unless you know exactly what is behind your target for 595 metres…” Second, bullets from these rifles disintegrate. Farlam said this was the reason the commission had been unable to establish exactly which police officer shot at which miner on August 16. This makes holding individual officers accountable for killings at Marikana, and other operations like it, extremely difficult.

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