Tim Noakes's advice wholly inappropriate, irresponsible - expert

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An advisory on The Real Meal Revolution website warning infants and children not to bant has seemingly been removed from the frequently asked questions section, an expert witness testified on Friday.

Professor Muhammad Ali Dhansay said a caution had initially been listed, stating that people with medical issues who had not been given consent from their doctor to bant, those with lean physiques, those who did regular high intensity exercise, people with no weight problems, as well as infants and children should avoid banting.

However, the reference to infants and children is not currently listed.

Professor Tim Noakes, whose book The Real Meal Revolution, promotes a low carb, high fat (LCHF) lifestyle, was called before the Health Professions Council of SA (HPCSA) after a complaint was lodged by the Association for Dietetics in South Africa’s (ADSA) former president Claire Julsing-Strydom.

The complaint centres on a tweet from Noakes to a mother who asked what foods she should feed her baby.

Noakes advised the mother to wean her child onto LCHF foods, which he described as real foods.

The tweet read: "Baby doesn't eat the dairy and cauliflower. Just very healthy high fat breast milk. Key is to ween [sic] baby onto LCHF."

Unconventional advice

According to the HPCSA, he acted in a manner not in accordance with the norms and standards of the profession, by providing "unconventional advice on breast feeding babies".

Dhansay, a former chairperson of the Medical Research Council, reiterated two previous experts’ testimony that Noakes' recommendation went against acceptable dietary advice for infants.

He said it is "wholly inappropriate and irresponsible".

Arguments that Noakes’s low carb, high fat diet was not evidence-based were also earlier slammed by his legal team, who insisted that proof on his research was available in both his books.

This after expert witness Professor Este Vorster was unable to provide evidence which substantiates that a LCHF diet is potentially harmful or life threatening, when pressed by advocate Ravin Ramdass.

When she offered to collate and present this at a later stage of the hearing, Ramdass countered that she had had six months to do this.

He claimed there was no evidence of LCHF diets being harmful.

During her testimony on Thursday, Vorster said Noakes could not give convincing evidence that his was the optimal diet for lactating mothers.

News24 - http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...y-inappropriate-irresponsible-expert-20151127
 
This Tim **** is going to cause a lot of people to deteriorate, but just because he wrote a book the f public hangs on his lips. As if health isn't a big enough issue already.
 
This Tim **** is going to cause a lot of people to deteriorate, but just because he wrote a book the f public hangs on his lips. As if health isn't a big enough issue already.

Or not.

Look in the media recently about scandals around effects of sugar on health being covered up.....
 
How the **** did bant become a verb? Banting is not a present participle. It is a guy's name ffs.
 
Or not.

Look in the media recently about scandals around effects of sugar on health being covered up.....

You think his high fat diet is good for your cholesterol? There are better ways to commit suicide.
 
You think his high fat diet is good for your cholesterol? There are better ways to commit suicide.

Yes I do.
Source: my lipid profile after a year of low carb high fat being so dramatically improved that my doctor could not believe it.

"Cholesterol" as you call it is a product of carbohydrate metabolism.
 
Yes I do.
Source: my lipid profile after a year of low carb high fat being so dramatically improved that my doctor could not believe it.

Every person handles nutrition differently, where it may be beneficial for yourself it can be dangerous for others.
 
Every person handles nutrition differently, where it may be beneficial for yourself it can be dangerous for others.

Is it.

Ok then.

Maybe then you should be more careful about making blanket condemnations of things about which you have little understanding.
 
This Tim **** is going to cause a lot of people to deteriorate, but just because he wrote a book the f public hangs on his lips. As if health isn't a big enough issue already.

It's a big enough issue because you're not following Tim's advice. The irony is strong in this place...
 
There is considerable evidence on the long term effects of LCHF diets, it has been used to reduce the symptoms of epilepsy in children, teens and adults since the 20s.

That is to say that there are people who have been on this diet most of their lives without adverse effects. In fact the diet reduces the incidence of seizure considerably, so that's a net positive effect.
 
There is considerable evidence on the long term effects of LCHF diets, it has been used to reduce the symptoms of epilepsy in children, teens and adults since the 20s.

That is to say that there are people who have been on this diet most of their lives without adverse effects. In fact the diet reduces the incidence of seizure considerably, so that's a net positive effect.

You sound just like that McCarthy chick who said vaccines cause autism, and a wheat free diet cures autism. Good luck with your narrow world view.

Wait, I might have the name wrong, but y'all know who I mean. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
During her testimony on Thursday, Vorster said Noakes could not give convincing evidence that his was the optimal diet for lactating mothers.

Isn't that irrelevant though?

Whether or not a LCHF is "optimal" for lactating mothers doesn't matter. What matters is if it is dangerous. If a LCHF would lead to impaired life outcomes, injury or death for either the infant or the mother, then it would be prudent to recommend that lactating mothers not follow a LCHF diet.

If, however, it cannot be proven that a LCHF diet is harmful for mothers, then there is no reason not to recommend it.

I mean, I don't even think we know what an optimal diet for lactating mothers is, or what it would like. What criteria would we use to evaluate it? What if the ideal diet for lactating mothers contains pork? What about Jewish or Islamic mothers?

I am slightly amazed that Noakes attracts such vitriol from the establishment. Maybe they are just jelly he is making lots of money and they aren't? Maybe it has nothing to do with whether is right or wrong.

You sound just like that McCarthy chick who said vaccines cause autism, and a wheat free diet cures autism. Good luck with your narrow world view.

Wait, I might have the name wrong, but y'all know who I mean. Stupid is as stupid does.

When even Wikipedia says that a ketogenic diet appears to be effective for epilepsy, it can hardly be called fringe science anymore.
 
The tweet read: "Baby doesn't eat the dairy and cauliflower. Just very healthy high fat breast milk. Key is to ween [sic] baby onto LCHF."

Now someone explain this to me like I'm a two year old, cause on the banting thread on this forum you guys (yeah, yeah, I know, there are literally two girls here) swear by cauliflower as a replacement for flour and such. What gives?
 
When even Wikipedia says that a ketogenic diet appears to be effective for epilepsy, it can hardly be called fringe science anymore.

Well, if wiki edited by every arse with a keyboard pedia says it's legit, then who be little me to ask a question. I'll live and die by the statement that whatever piffle comes out of that woman's behind is absolutely not fringe science, it is indeed complete garbage.
 
You sound just like that McCarthy chick who said vaccines cause autism, and a wheat free diet cures autism. Good luck with your narrow world view.

Wait, I might have the name wrong, but y'all know who I mean. Stupid is as stupid does.

This critique does not follow.

There is actually genuine evidence of this working. It is because the brain's chemistry runs slightly differently on both glucose and ketones. For whatever reason. Glucose heavy energy reliance will increase the rate of seizures, whilst ketones will heavily reduce them. Even eliminate them completely.

Many anti epilepsy drugs, actually use man made ketones, or forced ketone creation in the body.
 
Well, if wiki edited by every arse with a keyboard pedia says it's legit, then who be little me to ask a question. I'll live and die by the statement that whatever piffle comes out of that woman's behind is absolutely not fringe science, it is indeed complete garbage.

Yeah, McCarthy is a loon, and so is anyone who believes that vaccines cause autism.

But, there is real evidence for ketogenic diets being effective for epilepsy. Do some reading.
 
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