Fix the “encrypted messaging” problem or face new laws

How about gno.

Governments are the sole reason why ordinary people want encryption in the first place.
 
I am in two minds over this, respectively. I understand the need to intercept extremism, terrorism in this case, BUT the government is pursuing the ‘terrorism’ agenda to ALSO intercept the day-to-day user as they want to pry into our privacy (our rights). They want to know what we think, how we behave, and to do this behind the veil called terrorism. This raises the question, who is the extremist here, Mr Rudd?

Fix your own house.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I am in two minds over this, respectively. I understand the need to intercept extremism, terrorism in this case, BUT the government is pursuing the ‘terrorism’ agenda to ALSO intercept the day-to-day user as they want to pry into our privacy (our rights). They want to know what we think, how we behave, and to do this behind the veil called terrorism. This raises the question, who is the extremist here, Mr Rudd?

Fix your own house.
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People were fine using unencrypted messaging when the government(and others) were not listening in on the conversation. It isn't a coincidence that the rise of the encryption of messaging only occurred once people realised the government were spying on them.
 
All that miscreants have to do (and I'm sure they know how to) is move the encryption into 'user-space' ... not at all difficult with something like PGP ...
 
v3gout said:
All that miscreants have to do (and I'm sure they know how to) is move the encryption into 'user-space' ... not at all difficult with something like PGP ...
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Exactly. There is nothing stopping a miscreant from using a one time pad over an unencrypted whatsapp message.
 
The HUFF UK:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/martha-spurrier/amber-rudd-whatsapp-encryption_b_17648622.html

Amber Rudd’s Attacks On Whatsapp And Privacy Are Both Silly And Sinister

The Home Secretary is on a mission to set the record straight. After a string of perplexing, passionately ignorant interviews in which she attacked WhatsApp and hashtags as the tools of terrorists earlier this year, Amber Rudd has jetted off to Silicon Valley to explain what she really wants tech companies to do.

That her clarification started with “We don’t want to ban encryption, but...” is not a good sign. That she described “trade-offs between security and usability” as “opportunities” is chilling.

Bear one thing in mind when you hear the Government attacking encryption - they are attacking nothing less than your basic human rights.

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So why is Rudd persisting with this unnecessary attack on the world’s most popular messenger?

The uncomfortable truth is that the British Government spies on its citizens - and while WhatsApp cannot shield individual targets from surveillance, end-to-end encryption makes it harder and more expensive for the State to spy on the rest of us.

Rudd says “real people” don’t mind the Government having a snoop - only terrorists care about privacy. I fear, somewhere between the political elite’s WhatsApp group chats and the glittering corridors of Whitehall, Rudd may have lost her grip on what “real people” want - including the one billion people around the world who use WhatsApp every single day.

In a digital world plagued by State surveillance, cyberattacks, hacks and leaks, those billion real people care about privacy more than ever. They know that encryption is our first line of defence.

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The scary thing is the Home Secretary’s words are more than an empty threat. The Investigatory Powers Act which passed into law at the end of 2016 actually gives Rudd the power to go ahead and backdoor the entire WhatsApp service in total secrecy - without us even knowing about it.

So Liberty is taking the Government to court. Sacrificing our rights is a feeble and unnecessary surrender of the values terrorists seek to destroy - and it doesn’t even make us safer, online or off.

Privacy is a fundamental human right and a necessity in the modern world. Our Government’s attempt to rebrand it as the refuge of terrorists shows a painful disregard for basic democratic principles and traditional conservative values. It will not wash. We will not stand for it and, we hope, neither will Silicon Valley.
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Real people...

According to Rudd's Twitter page, she is making progress,

https://twitter.com/AmberRuddHR/status/892567954260279296

Productive couple of days in Silicon Valley where the big internet companies agreed to step up the fight against online terrorist material.
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Then we have people complaining about China and Russia banning VPN access...
 
Exclusive Access

Why does UK think it will be the only country to be granted exclusive access to encrypted messages.

If UK gets access to encrypted messages, then so should other countries:
  • Afghanistan
  • China
  • Hackers
  • Israel
  • Lebanon
  • Myanmar
  • Nigeria
  • Northern Korea
  • Pakistan
  • Russia
  • Saudi Arabia
  • U.S.A.
  • ETC
be granted access.

Wonder if UK Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, cares that her messages, her governments messages, UK citizen messages will then be read by these ever so friendly countries to fight extremism, terrorism, child pornography, slavery, racism, wmc, radical views, etc

If you've done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to fear from minor snooping by UK, Russia, USA, North Korea, China, etc
 
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Goverments need to accept that the days of intercepting communication willy nilly are over even if they mandate companies do this and that and the other open source communities would just create strong systems of their own.

If you want to fight terrorism you need to look at things "other" than "messaging". The whole Prism scandle woke us up. Now our default mode is encrypt everything.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I am in two minds over this, respectively. I understand the need to intercept extremism, terrorism in this case, BUT the government is pursuing the ‘terrorism’ agenda to ALSO intercept the day-to-day user as they want to pry into our privacy (our rights). They want to know what we think, how we behave, and to do this behind the veil called terrorism. This raises the question, who is the extremist here, Mr Rudd?

Fix your own house.
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The thing is that even if you outlaw encryption it doesn't mean it's going to stop criminals from using it. Take a look at China's gun laws where practically no private citizen owns a gun and even police don't generally have them yet every gang has automatic rifles. That's if you can even succeed. There's nothing stopping a foreign company from picking up the gap in the market or someone releasing an open source decentralised app. Look at what happened with PGP.

The whole problem is that the right to privacy doesn't really exist in any constitution. When constitutions were envisioned the only way to eavesdrop on someone's conversation was to stand ear to the wall so it was never seen as necessary to include this as a basic human right. I have always said this and will continue to do so, 9/11 was best thing that could ever happen for the intelligence agencies as it gave them blanket powers to police ordinary citizens. Make of that whatever you want.
 
Swa said:
The whole problem is that the right to privacy doesn't really exist in any constitution. When constitutions were envisioned the only way to eavesdrop on someone's conversation was to stand ear to the wall so it was never seen as necessary to include this as a basic human right. I have always said this and will continue to do so, 9/11 was best thing that could ever happen for the intelligence agencies as it gave them blanket powers to police ordinary citizens. Make of that whatever you want.
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^This.

Neither for self defense (at least in South Africa).
 
She is the enemy.

Bomb the whole fcking ISIS already if you want to end the US fabricated "terrorism" BS, but don't try to fool me by making encryption the problem.

Encryption is utterly important and should be the standard.
 
Thor said:
She is the enemy.

Bomb the whole fcking ISIS already if you want to end the US fabricated "terrorism" BS, but don't try to fool me by making encryption the problem.

Encryption is utterly important and should be the standard.
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I have no idea how you continue to post such stuff.
 
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