VW Move up! vs Kia Picanto 1.2 Smart vs Suzuki Ignis GLX

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So with my 2008 Golf GTI getting a bit on in years and almost hitting the 200,000km mark and really not being used for the purposes that it was originally purchased for I decided it's time to have a look around for a car that is a little bit more sensible and modern and fit for purpose.

It's really my wife's car as I just ride a bike to work and back and only really use the car on the odd occasion over the weekend. Originally I bought the GTI for the reasons that it was a 4-door for the future forward family planning, Automatic for the 75km round trip in traffic we used to make and then most importantly the sporty factor because I had stopped riding bikes at the time.

Fast forward a few years and the car is really doing 20 km a day round trip which means it burns even more fuel than it's already heavy average and is really just being a general waste in terms of performance and tires and what not.

Therefore it seems absolutely ridiculous to go from a 147+ kw 2.0 Turbo with sporty automatic gearbox to almost a third down in power and back to a manual...but when being honest with ourselves and what the car is really being used for it makes so much more sense to do just that.

VW Move Up!

First things first sauntered down to VW Western Cape who had a full spec demo that comes with pretty much all the options VW offer outside of the optional sunroof.

I didn't have an appointment with the salesperson but we did chat earlier in the week and he was expecting me somewhere throughout the day. Friendly chap overall and knew all the details of the car and didn't try to bull**** me on any front. Also wasn't pushy to make a sale and that I can appreciate.

Car had Heated Seats, Smartphone Dock, Rear PDC and surprisingly Cruise Control which is the only car in this group to offer that. It never really made sense to me to have Cruise Control on a manual so it's not a big deal but a nice to have feature. More importantly to me was the full blown Multifunction Display added on this car which just seemed utterly lacking on the standard car and it's a bit ridiculous that this is an optional feature.

Overall the car is pretty funky inside for what it is and the Smartphone Dock is a novel idea for something that you are going to carry around with you anyway. Unfortunately I forgot to download the app beforehand and my phone insisted on connecting to Wifi to grab it due to size so only tested the normal Bluetooth function. First and quick impressions told me the sound system in the VW was the better of the lot and didn't seem radically behind from the Golf from a quality perspective. The controls on the infotainment unit are a bit weird as they change around from using the buttons at the bottom and then the next screen the wheel on the side and then the buttons again...a little bit of a mishmash.

Heated seats were a nice bonus which the wife appreciates but something I never use so not such a big concern. Even less so on a car with material seats that don't really get cold like leather does. Seats themselves are pretty comfortable but offer nothing in the region of headset adjustment. I don't remember if the steering wheel could adjust, by and large because I didn't feel that I needed to adjust it.

Engine wise this being the first car of the day I was driving it felt reasonable from a power point of view if I subtracted a hundred odd kilowatt from my seat of the pants dyno and the 55kw didn't seem to be struggling but wasn't hardly awe inspiring. It does seem to need quite a bit of revs to get going but got up the hill towards Stellenbosch happily in 4th reaching 120km/h and didn't feel like it was straining.

The clutch and gearbox felt smooth and slick and the gate was surprisingly short. I did notice that 3rd seems to be the longest gear ever, maybe purposely so to be the one used most in normal urban traffic situations.

Suspension was neither here nor there as I actually have no comments to make about it so it wasn't too soft or too hard and I guess that's really a good thing.

Interior plastics seemed quite reasonable and nothing in the car felt particularly cheap and nasty. Even rear legroom seemed quite ample as opposed to my expectations purely because the car is so small. Considering my requirements are two small kids in the back this isn't really a major thing either way otherwise I would never even be looking at this class of car.

What I never realised beforehand was that the rear windows aren't conventional windows and are rather mounted on a pop-out hinge instead of rolling down. At first this was a problem for me until I thought it's probably a good thing with kids in the back.

Boot space is obviously quite small and I'm pretty certain the smallest in this group. Interesting feature is the shelf you can fit up and down to make loading a little simpler. Seems a bit pointless when the boot is so small but still a nice feature and amazingly there is still a spare wheel in there too.

Overall it's a modern and quite trendy car although quite bare bones but treats all the absolutely necessary boxes.

Kia Picanto 1.2 Smart

The Kia was actually not on my radar at all and I added it last minute after a search on Cars.co.za has it listed and then I dug a little deeper because it was just around the corner from this one.

Didn't make any appointment and was initially pissed off when nobody in the dealership seemed interested in selling cars but then upon walking into the lot another guy came back in and it turned out the one I saw listed was gone but they did have another demo.

Immediately upon sitting in the car there was a massive step up in the sense that this feels like much more car for the money than the Up! I had just come from. First is the obvious change to leather seats which I'm used and then the massive touchscreen on the dashboard just gives it an infinitely more modern and future forward outlook.

As a geek the displays everywhere and buttons all over the show just talked to me and the fact that it has Android Auto and Apple Carplay standard is a massive feature in this class of car. Just like the VW this one also just has normal A/C but it seemed like Climate Control at first. The bigger deal is that beyond the rear PDC it also has a rearview camera, auto headlights and folding mirrors.

Plastics inside also just seem much more refined maybe simply because there is more of it where the VW has a lot of painted bare metal areas. The car also feels a lot bigger inside and ever so slightly wider. In this case I did feel I needed to adjust the steering wheel and was happy to find that it does actually do that.

Before even starting the car I thought the gearbox was very spongy and actually I had no idea where neutral even was. Setting off it wasn't so obviously and through the drive I had soon forgotten about it but the recommended gear display was very confusing as it doesn't show you which gear you are in but rather which one you should be in and that just makes it a little weird.

First time I touched the brakes I thought we were all going through the windscreen which simply wasn't an issue on the other two cars but it's also something you adjust to in short order. Immediately the extra 6kw is deeply apparent but I think it's more the case of the extra cylinder over the VW changing the entire torque delivery and the car didn't feel wanting at all when setting off and hitting the highway.

Oh there are also aluminium pedals which adds a quality touch. Lots of aluminium on the dash and doors and around the air vents also adds a premium feel to everything.

I will say of the three it's probably the noisiest car inside, but in fairness it's also the only one I took on a proper highway and in reality it's still more quiet than my GTI with no tyre noise being forthcoming like that car has.

The leather seats though...were not so great and I found myself sweating in them. More so than in my Golf which I reckon has a much higher quality of leather in those Recaro seats than the Korean alternative. I can't believe I'm saying this but I would actually prefer the cloth seats from the other two cars in this one. From a fitment and comfort point of view they are just fine though and a little more sporty and hugged my frame better.

It's the only car to have a centre console which also adjusts and I don't know if that means it's wider but it certainly feels like we weren't sitting elbow to elbow.

Of the three cars this one seemed to sit on the road the best with suspension the most comfortable and marginally better than the Up I would say from a soft and supple ride perspective. Car was planted on the highway and I think the extra cylinder really makes a difference to cruising speeds.

Getting back to the dealership I jumped in the back and was surprised to find storage bins behind the seats which is a nice feature for the kids. I wouldn't say it's any bigger or small than the Up! but the Ignis is probably the one with the largest interior of the three overall.

The boot has a similar shelf that can be put up and I was surprised to spot that the rear seats have adjustable headrests. It also has ISOFIX fittings on the rear if that makes a difference to anyone.

Overall I was absolutely astounded by this car and just didn't see it coming. The salesperson also made a big difference there actually trying to sell it to me and adding details about the car that I wasn't aware of even though I did plenty of research. It just seems like such an unbelievable premium package in this class.
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Suzuki Ignis GLX

Now this is a the one that I really expected to like the most and the only one I made an appointment for purely because of that.

Granted I was a few minutes late due to something cocking it up on the N1 but the sales lady didn't really seem all that interested even knowing this is pretty much a done deal beforehand and throughout the test drive sat quietly in the back until I asked a question and then didn't have the answers most of the time.

This being the only SUV-like option among the three I thought it would be perfect and had a good car to compare it to in my sister's Daihatsu Terios I've been driving a bit recently while she's out of the country.

First impressions first was the keyless entry which isn't a bad idea in and of itself, but then you have the keyless start and I find myself wondering where to put the key while going about that. Sure if you own the car and you are a woman it would probably just live in your handbag but to me it seems a frivolous thing that adds little value and makes the car more expensive.

That cost is clearly observed in the infotainment system which seems to be from the 80's still has a CD-player and a very crappy mono LCD in big pixelated lettering. Controls were nonsensical too with power and volume on the right side unlike pretty much every other car I've ever driven. The optional touchscreen system is a R7000 option and not a factory fitted unit but a Pioneer one which the sales person couldn't give me details on yet and actually had to contact Suzuki about to find out if it supports Android Auto or Apple Carplay. Lets assume it does (which I doubt) it's still a ludicrously expensive feature.

Climate Control is standard here but it being a single zone setup with an A/C that loudly clicks on and off constantly it seems like another waste of money that should have been used elsewhere to match features on other cars.

Another thing it lacks is auto-locking doors and then there is the bigger elephant in the room that it doesn't offer much in the way of safety beyond ABS and the front airbags.

Plastics are hard and very shiny and not really exuding quality. Seats are pretty comfortable and I have nothing bad to say about them really. The interior funky colour tone features are a nice tough and adds a youthful touch to it...which is horribly offset again by the ancient infotainment system.

Gearbox and clutch was neither here nor there and I don't have anything good or bad to say about it really. It does what it's meant to do and there were no surprises anywhere.

The surprise was in the engine that seemed utterly unrefined and boring. At idle it's a rattling cement mixer made worse by the aircon clicking on and off. When in operation it does the job but doesn't sound like anything special and doesn't seem to have any shove as it goes up the revs and is almost diesel-like in it's torque delivery where even the lower powered up! felt a bit more excited as you went up the revs.

Suspension though was outlandishly hard which I guess is better than the overly soft Terios I can compare it to, but still feels a long way behind the other two cars I test drove this morning.

Boot space is quite obviously the biggest of the three and the standard roof racks add some potential loading options which I would personally probably never use.

The GLX also comes with projector LED headlights which is a novelty in this class where the most you'll get is DRL's otherwise.

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Oh I also just want to add that Suzuki was the only dealership to have me sign a test drive form and bolted a SEVENTEEN THOUSAND RAND excess on that which is ludicrous and tells me they self insure.

There was also a contact rattle from the boot.

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Overall I was surprised how this seemed the best on paper but the car I liked the least in the flesh...maybe because I expected to love it so much.

If you absolutely wanted an SUV-like option then this would probably do the job for you although I would have a look at quite a few others cars before committing.

Conclusion

Between these three cars and the price I would actually be paying the Ignis comes firmly last for being the most expensive by virtue of it being so new that there aren't really any demos available. It also just seems to be packaged completely wrong with features and money spent on the wrong things that don't really matter day to day.

On a purely new price basis I would probably put the Ignis second after the Kia because it offers a few things quite differently in it's offering that might be a deal breaker or maker for some people.

I had a second hand Smart Forfour on my list to check out today but we were so hungry after finishing up with the Ignis that we didn't have the energy to drive out to Century City to visit Mercedes and also that's a car that isn't high on the reviews list purely because it's so expensive brand new. I will more than likely not bother as I think the Kia has won me over already, but maybe I fold and pop around there in the middle of the
 
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Both the up and the Kia looks nice. Really don't like the look of the ignis. Just on looks I would chose either one of those.
 
My daughter had the 2015 KIA Picanto ex and I must say I was always impressed by it for what it is and the value. The extras are far better than most and it was surprisingly nippy.
 
As above, the Peugeot 208 should be added to the list.

And if you can go 2years older you might find the top spec gt-line.

Side note:
If aftermarket system in the Ignis is the same as the Baleno then no it won't have android auto or apple Carplay but does have some app connectivity.
 
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As above, the Peugeot 208 should be added to the list.

And if you can go 2years older you might find the top spec gt-line.

Side note:
If aftermarket system in the Ignis is the same as the Baleno then no it won't have android auto or apple Carplay but does have some app connectivity.

It's the same system as the one in the Baleno. So no CP or AA. Some basic functionality with a distinctly aftermarket look & feel.
 
The Alpha (top) variant of the Maruti Ignis (as sold in India) gets a tablet-like SmartPlay touchscreen infotainment system, which offers smartphone connectivity with Android Auto, Apple CarPlay and Mirror Link.

2017-maruti-ignis-01.jpg

Music is played through 6 speakers (including 2 tweeters). Connectivity is through Bluetooth, USB and Aux. A CD player is missing though.

The system also comes with navigation and voice recognition & serves as a screen for the reversing camera.


Tablet-like 7-inch touchscreen is placed high on the dashboard - this means that the driver does not have to look too far down to glance at the screen.

It looks weird - like something that was pasted on in the aftermarket. No chance of fitting aftermarket HUs here.

The system is very easy to operate, but visibility under direct sunlight is average. While the screen is pretty sensitive to scrolling and clicking, there is a little lag. It is not as quick as scrolling on a mobile phone. The head-unit's interface is now a familiar sight on Maruti cars.

The home screen is divided into four sections:

2017-maruti-ignis-50.jpg

Delta and Zeta variants (as sold in India) do not get a touchscreen system. Instead they come with a basic audio system that looks terribly out of place as it's made to fit into the same slot as the Alpha's larger touchscreen.

The unit does support Bluetooth, USB, Aux and gets a CD player.

In the Alpha and Zeta variants, music is played out through 6 speakers (including 2 front tweeters). The Delta gets only 2 speakers.


2017-maruti-ignis-02.jpg


See the Team-BHP review of the Ignis for many more pics & details of the touchscreen infotainment system.


http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/official-new-car-reviews/186135-maruti-ignis-official-review.html
 
Ain't you driving Honda Jazz????

Anywhere why not add Suzuki Swift on you list, nice little car just that it has a small boot.

You can also take a leap of faith and buy haval h1 it's R170 000 and looks good. I'm seriously considering trading my brio for haval h1.
 
The Alpha (top) variant of the Maruti Ignis (as sold in India) gets a tablet-like SmartPlay touchscreen infotainment system, which offers smartphone connectivity with Android Auto, Apple CarPlay and Mirror Link.

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Music is played through 6 speakers (including 2 tweeters). Connectivity is through Bluetooth, USB and Aux. A CD player is missing though.

The system also comes with navigation and voice recognition & serves as a screen for the reversing camera.


Tablet-like 7-inch touchscreen is placed high on the dashboard - this means that the driver does not have to look too far down to glance at the screen.

It looks weird - like something that was pasted on in the aftermarket. No chance of fitting aftermarket HUs here.

The system is very easy to operate, but visibility under direct sunlight is average. While the screen is pretty sensitive to scrolling and clicking, there is a little lag. It is not as quick as scrolling on a mobile phone. The head-unit's interface is now a familiar sight on Maruti cars.

The home screen is divided into four sections:

View attachment 497871

Delta and Zeta variants (as sold in India) do not get a touchscreen system. Instead they come with a basic audio system that looks terribly out of place as it's made to fit into the same slot as the Alpha's larger touchscreen.

The unit does support Bluetooth, USB, Aux and gets a CD player.

In the Alpha and Zeta variants, music is played out through 6 speakers (including 2 front tweeters). The Delta gets only 2 speakers.


View attachment 497875


See the Team-BHP review of the Ignis for many more pics & details of the touchscreen infotainment system.


http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/official-new-car-reviews/186135-maruti-ignis-official-review.html

All very nice but this applies to the Euro & Indian & the like models, not ZA.

The ZA models have the option of the aftermarket Pioneer jobbie that is found in the Baleno locally. 6.2" touch screen, no CP & AA. Clearly aftermarket look & feel.

This was discussed in the Baleno thread briefly.

The non-SA models have the option of (standard depending on spec) a Suzuki-developed system, 7" size, CP & AA. More functionality outta the box.
 
All very nice but this applies to the Euro & Indian & the like models, not ZA.

The ZA models have the option of the aftermarket Pioneer jobbie that is found in the Baleno locally. 6.2" touch screen, no CP & AA. Clearly aftermarket look & feel.

This was discussed in the Baleno thread briefly.

The non-SA models have the option of (standard depending on spec) a Suzuki-developed system, 7" size, CP & AA. More functionality outta the box.

I wonder what Suzuki SA's logic (or lack thereof) and justification for NOT including the 'standard factory fitment' touchscreen unit for the SA version of the Ignis GLX is, if a non-standard 'aftermarket dealer fitment' Pioneer HU is substituted here, instead of the Euro / India spec unit?

:confused:

NB: I posted the Team-BHP link & details to show just how SA Ignis purchasers are being short-changed, in comparison to the Euro /India markets.
 
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Would go nuts with that touchscreen thingy being offcentre
 
As above, the Peugeot 208 should be added to the list.

And if you can go 2years older you might find the top spec gt-line.

Side note:
If aftermarket system in the Ignis is the same as the Baleno then no it won't have android auto or apple Carplay but does have some app connectivity.
If I was interested in owning a French car u would have looked at the Renault options too...but fortunately I'm not.
 
Ain't you driving Honda Jazz????

Anywhere why not add Suzuki Swift on you list, nice little car just that it has a small boot.

You can also take a leap of faith and buy haval h1 it's R170 000 and looks good. I'm seriously considering trading my brio for haval h1.
Nah my mom has a Honda Jazz which I drive on the regular.

Not a fan of the Swift. Actually have a friend emigrating and selling hers for a good price and shot it down because much like the Ignis it's just lacking versus its modern world competition.
 
All very nice but this applies to the Euro & Indian & the like models, not ZA.

The ZA models have the option of the aftermarket Pioneer jobbie that is found in the Baleno locally. 6.2" touch screen, no CP & AA. Clearly aftermarket look & feel.

This was discussed in the Baleno thread briefly.

The non-SA models have the option of (standard depending on spec) a Suzuki-developed system, 7" size, CP & AA. More functionality outta the box.
And I think that is the big problem with the SA Ignis.

It is clearly suffering from the cost cutting exercise where removing stuff like keyless and climate control to build different SKU would cost them more money than swopping a head unit.
 
And to add insult to injury the car I washed myself on Friday and know to have been perfect suddenly has the rear roof line dropping and hanging.

This I'm convinced only after Suzuki "inspected" it so I'm honestly questioning whether they went and pulled on it or even more sinisterly did it on purpose to drop the trade in value.

Overall not impressed with the Suzuki experience on my front. How it's brand of the year is beyond me.
 
And to add insult to injury the car I washed myself on Friday and know to have been perfect suddenly has the rear roof line dropping and hanging.

This I'm convinced only after Suzuki "inspected" it so I'm honestly questioning whether they went and pulled on it or even more sinisterly did it on purpose to drop the trade in value.

Overall not impressed with the Suzuki experience on my front. How it's brand of the year is beyond me.

Waiting for your Up! feedback in this here thread & thereby completing the trifecta...

https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/801579-2017-VW-Up!
 
Have a look at the 2015+ Mazda 2. Good build quality and decent specifications.

A very underated car
 
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