Anti-conscription fighter dies

chiskop said:
What he did was braver than those who did serve - and that's not to take anything away from those who did.
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He should have just came out of the closet and they wouldn't have let him join anyway. But appart from that; RIP
 
Pitbull said:
Pfft, he got a medal for being a wuss :rolleyes:
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Your comment is pathetic, in-sensitive and shameful. The man was a lieutenant in the army so he was no wuss. He did what his conscience told him to do and paid a heavy price for it - that is what is called courage.

You obviously have no idea of what it takes to be a "real man".
 
an exceptionally brave human

ee cummings said:
i sing of Olaf glad and big
whose warmest heart recoiled at war:
a conscientious object-or

his wellbelov&eacuted colonel (trig
westpointer most succinctly bred)
took erring Olaf soon in hand;
but-though an host of overjoyed
noncoms (first knocking on the head
him) do through icy waters roll
that helplessness which others stroke
with brushes recently employed
anent this muddy toiletbowl,
while kindred intellects evoke
allegiance per blunt instruments-
Olaf (being to all intents
a corpse and wanting any rag
upon what God unto him gave)
responds, without getting annoyed
"I will not kiss your ****ing flag"

straightaway the silver bird looked grave
(departing hurriedly to shave)

but-though all kinds of officers
(a yearning nation's blueeyed pride)
their passive prey did kick and curse
until for wear their clarion
voices and boots were much the worse,
and egged the firstclassprivates on
his rectum wickedly to tease
by means of skillfully applied
bayonets roasted hot with heat-
Olaf (upon what were once knees)
does almost ceaselessly repeat
"there is some **** I will not eat"

our president,being of which
assertions duly notified
threw the yellowsonofabitch
into a dungeon,where he died

Christ (of His mercy infinite)
i pray to see;and Olaf,too

preponderatingly because
unless statistics lie he was
more brave than me:more blond than you
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sabagamma said:
Your comment is pathetic, in-sensitive and shameful. The man was a lieutenant in the army so he was no wuss. He did what his conscience told him to do and paid a heavy price for it - that is what is called courage.

You obviously have no idea of what it takes to be a "real man".
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He did a great amount of good, but he was a wuss. As the tension became more and more futile he decided to do "the run" to avoid having to be placed in a war zone. That is why he went out. Why would he do he's 2 years where it's all moonshine and roses but up and leave when it gets hot ?

Anyway, this thread is going south very quickly so pls rather stay on topic and don't respond.

As I said

RIP
 
sabagamma said:
Your comment is pathetic, in-sensitive and shameful. The man was a lieutenant in the army so he was no wuss. He did what his conscience told him to do and paid a heavy price for it - that is what is called courage.
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I must back you on this. Pitbull, I think your comments are out of place.
 
chiskop said:
What he did was braver than those who did serve - and that's not to take anything away from those who did.
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As someone that did military service,i can only agree with you on this one.

He was more brave than many that died in battle.

To stand up to the SADF took guts.........A lot of it.

I salute him.
 
Piepalook said:
As someone that did military service,i can only agree with you on this one.

He was more brave than many that died in battle.

To stand up to the SADF took guts.........A lot of it.

I salute him.
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I agree. At the time I thought people like him and David Bruce were wrong with the ECC. After all I did my service.

But when it became clear that our troops were fighting a civil war against some of our own citizens inside our borders, I agreed with their sentiments.

In his case however, I believe that the service he did as doctor far outweighed the importance of his starting the ECC.
 
I've never liked him. Always been quite ineffectual in most matters that required urgency. He was part of he ANC top echelon and that immediately raises questions in my mind.

He could also lie when he needed to (as news below indicates).
CT condoms are 'safe'
24/08/2007 20:29 - (SA)

Cape Town - Condoms distributed by the City of Cape Town are safe, the council said on Friday.

The assurance by the city's director for health, Ivan Toms, comes after a fraud case involving an SABS official who granted stamps of approval to condoms that did not conform to SABS standards.

The case relates to Latex Surgical Products, one of numerous suppliers of Choice branded condoms to the national department of health.

"The good news is that this supplier does not supply condoms to the Western Cape Province and therefore there is no need for people to worry about the quality of 'Choice' branded free condoms in Cape Town and in this province," Toms said.

City Health distributed almost 56 million condoms in the last financial year.

This amounted to 50 condoms per adult male, 15 years and older, per year.
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It was very easy to just 'go into the army' and be ordered around - it took serious guts to make a stand against it, especially when what seemed like 95% of the white society seemed to be too racist or thick to see the big picture at the time.

Back in the day, the ECC helped a lot of people. (Including me). It was organizations like that which set a yardstick of moral conviction, that helped folks have the courage at times, to make a stand for what they knew was right.
To be anti-Government in apartheid days, was not something a 'wuss' could ever cope with.
Coz you rapidly came face to face with the secret police, and a lot of nastiness..
 
sabagamma said:
The man was a lieutenant in the army so he was no wuss.
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This is no guarantee that he wasn't a wuss. All medical doctors became lieutenants after basic training. And maybe, militarily speaking, he was a wuss. So?

He died from meningitis - that he probbably contracted from some a patient. I think it takes courage to be a doctor in public health care especially has the government seems to not really want to treat the illnessess that affect the poorest worst of all.

Either way RIP.

And if he did good, well the world will be a little sadder for his passing but a little happier for that that he did.
 
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