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Lycanthrope
Honorary Master
I believe "WTF" says it best.
Does anyone remember that word "nationalisation" ? It's now called BEE and 51% black equity. All that's changed are the words invented by spin doctors to describe the mindless communist ideals of our mindless government.
They will continue to party until they've eaten all the cake, and then blame the west on their problems, like their struggle comrade across the border.
They will continue to party until they've eaten all the cake, and then blame the west on their problems, like their struggle comrade across the border.
so sad but true , i say stop living in the past but these blind bee drones don't and they are in control(use this term loosely) of the country, now that is scary!
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
I am D I S G U S T E D 
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
I = Ignorant
C = Corrupt
A = Anemic
S = Self-absorbed
A = Axe-holes
C = Corrupt
A = Anemic
S = Self-absorbed
A = Axe-holes
magneto
Senior Member
what retards..
ICASA and BEE
The fact of the mater is that VANS like IS, MWEB, Altech, are not transformed companies. Some of them may have some BEE ownership, typically 30% but when you look at management and staff, these guys are stuck in the 80's.
The 51% BEE requirement is very understandable given the need to force these guys to gear up and become truly representative of SA demographics.
The fact of the mater is that VANS like IS, MWEB, Altech, are not transformed companies. Some of them may have some BEE ownership, typically 30% but when you look at management and staff, these guys are stuck in the 80's.
The 51% BEE requirement is very understandable given the need to force these guys to gear up and become truly representative of SA demographics.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
unfortunately, if they were truly representative of SA's demographics... they would not be competitive companies at all. The CEO's would all be tied up in litigation for corruption, fraud and rape. The workers would be on strike 20% of the time, all the office equipment would have been pilfered long ago.... and 85% of the staff would have no idea what to do (not having been trained for their jobs at all). If we want the economy to move forward you need tight, innovative companies that mean business... not fat, BEE bloated behemoths that are careening to a crash.
am I wrong?
I'm guessing you work for ICASA?
I'm with Moeletsi Mbeki, the President's brother, who says BEE is harming black entrepreneurship in this country. State based "quota's" that are virtually impossible for business to meet are perverse incentives that slow down innovation and eliminate consumer choice. Besides which it creates tension between the different racial groups, motivates whites to form microbusinesses that exclude blacks, and contributes to the brain drain.
If you really want transformation of the business environment, the government should be focusing on helping the previously disadvantaged start up small businesses - something I'm sure many young black entrepreneurs would like to do in the telecommunications arena, if only the government would stop strangling it at birth.
A question: are you suggesting that every single company in South Africa should be majority black owned?
tjunyat
Senior Member
And the numbers of skilled BEE candidates exist?
And of the ones that do exist, they're normally 2 to 3 times more expensive to employ due to their demand to fill the required quotas of people that actually do something, rather than token figureheads that just waste money.
The BEE thing is a joke! Forcing people to employ unskilled staff just to meet quotas is the dumbest thing they could've done, but yet they did it anyway. Go guavamunt!
Where had they gone...?
It's amazing that some member of our society, 14 years down the line since the legitimate election of a majority government, we still have them among us. Isn't it amazing that when you walk the streets, in the workplace, in malls, and elsewhere, you will not find a single individual who will either own up to their racism (read hatred of all that is black), or who have benefitted from the previous racist and extremely oppressive apartheid government. How lovely. And might I add, convenient...
But behold, such do walk among us. They hide behind faceless pseudonyms on forums such as these, spewing racist vile, referring to black people as monkeys, and deeming everything that is white-owned and white-run as pure and representing all that is competent and excellent. To them, Black is inferior, black is stupid, lazy, corrupt, etc.
Furthermore, they have the nerve of saying that black people must forget about the past, while freely reminiscing about the good old days. How sweet!
I'm not in any way making excuses for black people where incompetence and corruption exist - sure, we must expose and sneer at such. But what bothers me is the absence of the same comments when white people are exposed as incompetent and corrupt (and believe me, they do exist - I work with and among them on a daily basis).
If you want to be racist, let it not stop in these forums - lets see you when you walk down the street, in the malls, in the workplace. Express your racist and backward views in the public domain so that everyone may hear your opinion. Stop being a hypocrite - come out of the closet!!
It's amazing that some member of our society, 14 years down the line since the legitimate election of a majority government, we still have them among us. Isn't it amazing that when you walk the streets, in the workplace, in malls, and elsewhere, you will not find a single individual who will either own up to their racism (read hatred of all that is black), or who have benefitted from the previous racist and extremely oppressive apartheid government. How lovely. And might I add, convenient...
But behold, such do walk among us. They hide behind faceless pseudonyms on forums such as these, spewing racist vile, referring to black people as monkeys, and deeming everything that is white-owned and white-run as pure and representing all that is competent and excellent. To them, Black is inferior, black is stupid, lazy, corrupt, etc.
Furthermore, they have the nerve of saying that black people must forget about the past, while freely reminiscing about the good old days. How sweet!
I'm not in any way making excuses for black people where incompetence and corruption exist - sure, we must expose and sneer at such. But what bothers me is the absence of the same comments when white people are exposed as incompetent and corrupt (and believe me, they do exist - I work with and among them on a daily basis).
If you want to be racist, let it not stop in these forums - lets see you when you walk down the street, in the malls, in the workplace. Express your racist and backward views in the public domain so that everyone may hear your opinion. Stop being a hypocrite - come out of the closet!!
@ bashego
I am tired of these discussions man. I don't mind other folks furthering them on, but at some point I realized the futility of it all. The fact is we are all equally farkin guilty of putting the other down or hurting the other in some way.
The sooner we all just realize that there is no justice for these kinds of crimes simply because the people who messed up are not even alive anymore.
How many generations will there have to be of one race punishing the other for this revolving door of stupidity?!!?
The young people need to say, to hell with it! Wipe the slate clean and move on...
There is no way on earth AA/BEE or whatever you call it will ever be fair. Mankind doesn't posses the technology that would enable us to do it fairly. Hell, government cannot even manage roads properly, how do you want to manage people's destinies?
It is insane!
Government should have a non racial "HELP EVERYBODY WHO NEEDS IT!" policy.
There is NO room for unfairness in that apart from the still present bureaucracy. At least we would all suffer that in equal measure.
I am done with this race crap! It is a waste of time. We can spend our time better working on making this country a better place. Some of us with discrimination in our face, but what the hell, we'll press forward anyway.
I am tired of these discussions man. I don't mind other folks furthering them on, but at some point I realized the futility of it all. The fact is we are all equally farkin guilty of putting the other down or hurting the other in some way.
The sooner we all just realize that there is no justice for these kinds of crimes simply because the people who messed up are not even alive anymore.
How many generations will there have to be of one race punishing the other for this revolving door of stupidity?!!?
The young people need to say, to hell with it! Wipe the slate clean and move on...
There is no way on earth AA/BEE or whatever you call it will ever be fair. Mankind doesn't posses the technology that would enable us to do it fairly. Hell, government cannot even manage roads properly, how do you want to manage people's destinies?
It is insane!
Government should have a non racial "HELP EVERYBODY WHO NEEDS IT!" policy.
There is NO room for unfairness in that apart from the still present bureaucracy. At least we would all suffer that in equal measure.
I am done with this race crap! It is a waste of time. We can spend our time better working on making this country a better place. Some of us with discrimination in our face, but what the hell, we'll press forward anyway.
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It's amazing when people who have had freedom for 14 years, choose to focus on what a handful of anonymous' call each other on internet forums, rather than their freedoms being eroded every day by the very powers that supposedly gave it to them in the first place.
The government has done everything within its power (and under its power - eg ICASA) to keep communications away from middle and lower income groups. This decision is a nail in the coffin of enormous proportions.
How convenient that the clause that prevents desperately needed competition is a clause regarding race, how easy will it be to cry racism when the clause is opposed and how many, many people will follow suit because its an emotional issue drummed into them by the government-led media every single day.
You, like ICASA, and the government, are losing the plot, and your future, to an obsession with race.
But don't worry, focus on how you perceive others see you. Hope you feel better after posting.
If the real issues should smack you in the face one day (or hit your pocket as you may or may not have noticed is happening now), please apply a little more zest to the topic than one lone post on an internet forum.
Thank you, please drive through and pay at the next window.