Are your mobile calls private?

Yeah, please, pleeeease explain to me how a minimum-wage earner living in a shack with no electricity is going to produce a utility bill.

It's just as retarded as the banks claiming that they can't maintain account for you without same; yet I know people living of the grid who have bank accounts, because that's the only way they can get paid.
 
In principle its a good thing. The good guys dont have a thing to worry about while the baddies get bust.
The practicality of it all combined with the keystone cops approach is what is really concerning here.
 
“A number would be typed into a software system at an operator's office under strict controls. Calls to and from that number would be routed to monitoring stations at the law enforcement agency.”
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#@$#@$ :eek: and we thought the US was bad like this.. :p
 
as contract customer your\ have to provide al this flippen crap already now i have redo all this? go @#$@# goldy boy
 
Laws like this never have any effect on the people it's designed to have an effect on. There are always huge amounts of unintended victims.

The real criminals sit in parliament, and have foot soldiers called police, and now they have an extra tool - named after a bird. But for want of a better term, we'll call them law-abiding citizens (they abide by their own laws: nepotism, cronyism etc., not the laws the average man on the street are bound by.) So when these law abiding citizens calls someone a criminal it's because that person managed to screw the public more than he could, or the other guy comes from a different political party. Same difference really.
 
Hear Hear

apogeeza said:
Laws like this never have any effect on the people it's designed to have an effect on. There are always huge amounts of unintended victims.

The real criminals sit in parliament, and have foot soldiers called police, and now they have an extra tool - named after a bird. But for want of a better term, we'll call them law-abiding citizens (they abide by their own laws: nepotism, cronyism etc., not the laws the average man on the street are bound by.) So when these law abiding citizens calls someone a criminal it's because that person managed to screw the public more than he could, or the other guy comes from a different political party. Same difference really.
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The system that they are talking about, what we refer to in my line of work is a LI (Lawfull Interception) system meaning they have to go a judge for a court order to intercept the telephone conversation and yet a again that is limited to time and and and. The other issue concerning the interception of calls is the storage of the IRI and the Media content related to that call. Storing the IRI is no issue you can use SQL for that which can store over a couple of Billions of records. But storing the media is a total different story, on average every minute of a call = roughly 1mb if it is stored in a wav format. So if they are required to keep calls I would realy like to see who is going to fund that and what storage they are going to use. At best they will be able to say this guy called this guy by looking at the IRI (Intercept related information).
But people should not kid them selfs by saying Cellphone (GSM) calls can't be intercepted, there are passive interception system out there that can easly intercept them.


OOOOh coffeeee break
 
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Intercepting calls is nothing new. Even just from a corporate point of view I'm willing to bet that most people have signed some sort of document allowing their company to monitor their use of company internet/phone etc. It's pretty standard in employee contracts these days.

While I agree that this could mean that it might be easier for a corrupt official to monitor you, I still feel that this could be a step in the right direction in terms of an attempt to assist police to better do their jobs. What concerns me is that even with all of this, when the criminal is caught it changes nothing, as getting caught doesn't really mean anything anymore since the criminal will be back on the street in no time.

With this though, I choose to look at the positive side of it rather than the neagative side, but I guess it's because of personal circumstances and because I know not everyone will have their lives saved by a gun misfiring.
 
Welcome to 1984... I quoted these in another thread... but they are relevant here...

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. - C.S. Lewis

This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector. - Plato

Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. - Edmund Burke
 
henno said:
That's why god invented VOIP :-)
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Well that is where you are wrong Voip can be intercepted. Voip mostly uses Protocols like H323, G.717, G.723, G726, G729. Voip runs over a IP format but that doesn't mean that it is not interceptable.

So you are out of luck there
 
Well alot of people see it as a tyrany or oppression but compare our crime rate and statistics to any country where it is the law and where no Telecoms can establish a network with out making it interceptable.
 
rwtpl said:
Well that is where you are wrong Voip can be intercepted. Voip mostly uses Protocols like H323, G.717, G.723, G726, G729. Voip runs over a IP format but that doesn't mean that it is not interceptable.

So you are out of luck there
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256 bit or even 128 bit AES encryption. It would take every single computer on planet earth till the end of the universe to crack that.

To mess with the IRI you connect via a proxy in a different country, free or paid. Some services would not release information to SA law enforcement no matter what - only from local courts.
 
I think the real big bosses or crime can easily sidestep with the simple solution, get someone else to register the phone so that no names are in their name (hire some informal settlement person to register), now suddenly when the cops want to tap his official phone, all they'll get is a conversation with the wife about which milk to buy. It would hard, next to impossible to find out whose registered phone he'd be using - and even then he can switch every month ... every week... every day?

Imagine the paperwork and court orders to track someone with many numbers, some not ever registered in his name? I think the procedures to allow them to sniff in are to slow and it's too easy switch out.


Of course, those would be high profile cases of crime lords, perhaps it'll catch more common criminals and fraudsters for a while, until every catches on how to avoid being caught this way.
 
PeterCH said:
256 bit or even 128 bit AES encryption. It would take every single computer on planet earth till the end of the universe to crack that.
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That's a bit optimistic to say the least. Everything can be cracked. Period. The real question when it comes to security/encryption is not IF it can be cracked but rather WHEN. There was a time when the caesar cipher was deemd uncrackable or even the enigma codes were deemed secure. Not too long ago DES was deemed secure and 3DES too. In terms of hashes, the same applies to SHA1 and MD5.
So unless the end of the universe is very near, the statement doesn't hold.
 
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