Piracy warnings to ADSL users: IS explains
Local ADSL users warned about illegal downloads; Internet Solutions explains
Local ADSL users warned about illegal downloads; Internet Solutions explains
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IS explains piracy warnings to ADSL subscribers
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Compared to the international scenario, there is no piracy in SA - if it's not the SPEED, the CAP will get you.
3 x avi Movies, 100 MP3's, plus emails, and there is your monthly account of 3 gig gone
To Sony & Co, don't bother, just bypass SA
PS: note I didn't say "FIRST" ;-)
3 x avi Movies, 100 MP3's, plus emails, and there is your monthly account of 3 gig gone
To Sony & Co, don't bother, just bypass SA
PS: note I didn't say "FIRST" ;-)
defcomk
Senior Member
just sayin
Well if you pay for the data they should'nt tell you what you can and can't do with it. its like the petrol station telling people now you using fuel we provide for you now you cant go rob a bank you cant overspeed you cant carry a hooker,You cant have weed. i know nobody should do those thing but im saying it your data that you pay for at a high cost i should add,what you do with it is none of their business.
Well if you pay for the data they should'nt tell you what you can and can't do with it. its like the petrol station telling people now you using fuel we provide for you now you cant go rob a bank you cant overspeed you cant carry a hooker,You cant have weed. i know nobody should do those thing but im saying it your data that you pay for at a high cost i should add,what you do with it is none of their business.
vatso
Well-Known Member
Oh but they can--at least not for the next few years though.
If these media companies manages to win a major court victory in their favor, all the ISP laws / p2p sharing / 'ability to copy' landscape will change drastically.
It would not be uncommon for other industries to catch on then. Enjoy your freedoms while you still can.
If these media companies manages to win a major court victory in their favor, all the ISP laws / p2p sharing / 'ability to copy' landscape will change drastically.
It would not be uncommon for other industries to catch on then. Enjoy your freedoms while you still can.
rwenzori
Honorary Master
While no doubt most of the time a movie ( for example ) is not being downloaded for legal purposes, the ISP cannot determine whether a download is legal or not merely because the movie is copyrighted. There are exceptions to copyright protection within our copyright law that allow for the copying of such material.
Of course torrents involve uploading as well, which would not be legal. There are other well-known sources however.
Of course torrents involve uploading as well, which would not be legal. There are other well-known sources however.
Kkkurupt
Well-Known Member
Thats Bull, and eversince i heard of WebAfrica i never really liked it. Now i know why. You wil see the drastic sales drop on them.
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
Warnings will not deter the downloaders - they'll continue.
And, if need be, will encrypt their download streams.
And, if need be, will encrypt their download streams.
Just because you use bittorrent does not make you a pirate, there are plenty of files you can share through torrents without being illegal - hell I even got Ubuntu through a torrent. Before IS goes the whole hog to call you a pirate they have to prove that what you're using it too, because merely downloading it and/or having the install on your system does also not make you a pirate either.
eltherza
Expert Member
Please, we all pirate lots of things while just browsing.
Sure that many imagines online are copyrighted, but they have to be downloaded and cached on your PC. You've just willingly made an illegal copy of the picture.
The code on websites are also copy righted, and again, you downloaded it!
π
There, I've just made you pirate everything in existence. Convert Pi into binary, and because it's infinite and non-reoccurring that means every possible combination of sequences 0 and 1's is in there. Hope you all get emails from IS and go to jail.
/sarcasm
Strangely enough, that could be true - well the downloading bit at least. I don't think the companies have copyrighted the compressed version of the disc image. Of course, installing and running it is another issue.
Sure that many imagines online are copyrighted, but they have to be downloaded and cached on your PC. You've just willingly made an illegal copy of the picture.
The code on websites are also copy righted, and again, you downloaded it!
π
There, I've just made you pirate everything in existence. Convert Pi into binary, and because it's infinite and non-reoccurring that means every possible combination of sequences 0 and 1's is in there. Hope you all get emails from IS and go to jail.
/sarcasm
Strangely enough, that could be true - well the downloading bit at least. I don't think the companies have copyrighted the compressed version of the disc image. Of course, installing and running it is another issue.
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SirFooK'nG
Executive Member
The article is straight forward, no action will be taken by the ISP's unless there is a court order to do so, and that would have to come from the source complainant (record / movie houses). Then who is liable, the user at the PC or the subscriber of the internet connection? hmmm ?? Plus you could deny and claim your account was hacked...
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killadoob
Honorary Master
They make out like SA is becoming a stronghold for piracy?! Personally, I think they got their latitude and longitude all wrong.
And since when have they become law enforcers? Stick to managing your networks and improving your product and service delivery, and leave the law to the law enforcers!
And since when have they become law enforcers? Stick to managing your networks and improving your product and service delivery, and leave the law to the law enforcers!
rwenzori
Honorary Master
No it's not. Get with the program here.
gregmcc
Honorary Master
Ok - so who voted yes! 
I goto a friend and borrow a DVD and then copy it at home, is this legal???? guess not, but how will they police this??? no way they can do it, so the real question then is how do we make sure they can't police our torrent and emule activities.
As with sony and all those publising houses, GO TO HELL, by spying on my internet usage you have broken just about every SA privacy law there is, and as far as I understand, evidence gathered by unlawful means is not evidence.
As with sony and all those publising houses, GO TO HELL, by spying on my internet usage you have broken just about every SA privacy law there is, and as far as I understand, evidence gathered by unlawful means is not evidence.
wHiTe*LiGhTnInG
Senior Member
they more worried about people buying bandwidth and using it to download stuff.
But nobody is worried about people buying guns and killing people.
The way these companies are putting their own product out there is obviously not working and people get to download it. I think they are the ones who are making the pirates in the first place because of the content they providing.
If they want it to not happen then they are the ones who need to put thier thinking caps on and make it so nobody can get their hands on it without paying. Its thier own fault.
They make a product nobody wants to pay that amount of money for, and then moan that we not buying thier stuff.
But nobody is worried about people buying guns and killing people.
The way these companies are putting their own product out there is obviously not working and people get to download it. I think they are the ones who are making the pirates in the first place because of the content they providing.
If they want it to not happen then they are the ones who need to put thier thinking caps on and make it so nobody can get their hands on it without paying. Its thier own fault.
They make a product nobody wants to pay that amount of money for, and then moan that we not buying thier stuff.
Tinuva
The Magician
It is not really unlawful to join a torrent download to get a list of peer's ips to see who is downloading it, is it?
That is the most efficient way of doing. Remember they do not target users, they target specific content, joining the torrent makes it easy. Join, retrieve list, find isps for each ip, send mail. Heck it can be automated even.
And this is why public trackers are the real problem. Because you torrent downloaders put your ip on that list volantary by just starting the download for said torrent.
Now go join a closed torrent site like ninjacentral, where you need an invite to join and you won't be getting these emails. You will save IS and your ISP lots of admin time and receive 0 hassle.
Alternatively there is USENET (a.k.a. newsgroups) where you only download and never give your IP out to a bunch of peers.
That is the most efficient way of doing. Remember they do not target users, they target specific content, joining the torrent makes it easy. Join, retrieve list, find isps for each ip, send mail. Heck it can be automated even.
And this is why public trackers are the real problem. Because you torrent downloaders put your ip on that list volantary by just starting the download for said torrent.
Now go join a closed torrent site like ninjacentral, where you need an invite to join and you won't be getting these emails. You will save IS and your ISP lots of admin time and receive 0 hassle.
Alternatively there is USENET (a.k.a. newsgroups) where you only download and never give your IP out to a bunch of peers.
Murmaider
Expert Member
Although I do understand your point, your logic seems a bit flawed.
People are using the "IS infrastructure" and bandwidth provided by Web africa.
Petrol = Bandwidth = Web Africa
Roads = Infrastructure = IS
So the logic should be that the "body" who owns and enforces the roads is saying that you aren't allowed to over speed, or drive recklessly or rob a bank etc. Because you pay tax & road tax every month they shouldn't be able to tell you what you can and can't do on their roads... OH WAIT...