Mandatory Health Insurance Update

PeterCH

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Here it is folks. The highlights of the new NHI act
which the health department wants to put through the parliament.
It will affect you so do have a read. Better hold on to your cash,
cos you are going to need it, and lots of it.

Motsoaledi’s aim is a national 3-
month ‘review and consultation’ process
before a modified proposal is submitted
to Parliament for draft legislation.
Highlights of the concept document
are:
• Creating a new NHI funding and
administration body, separate from the
health department, to oversee a R200
billion implementation. It will promote
cross-subsidisation between rich and
poor, healthy and sick, young and old.
Legally preventing medical aids
from offering any benefits already
offered by state facilities.

• Paying general practitioners
directly from the new body, although
probably less than many currently earn.
Making state hospitals the first
port of call for medical aid members
– unless they pay out of pocket for
private facilities.

South African Medical Journal, August 2009, Vol. 99, No. 8 SAMJ
Full article: PDF link.
 
Making state hospitals the first
port of call for medical aid members
– unless they pay out of pocket for
private facilities.

:eek::eek:
 
Professor Heather McCleod
estimates that it will
cost the proposed payroll
contributors some 15% of
their income to achieve this

:)

Enjoy the new health care system, Comrades.
 
:)
Professor Heather McCleod
estimates that it will
cost the proposed payroll
contributors some 15% of
their income to achieve this

Enjoy the new health care system, Comrades.

:eek:

100% salary - 35% tax == 65% to spend... wrong a further -15% = 50%
And seeing that i am a contractor i do not have ANY benefits from my "employer" :eek:
With that i need to pay pension, feed my family and pay the bills, pay the house and try to survive :sick:
 
I think let the good minister enjoy public health services first, before putting this into action. "Lead by example" and all.
 
What's the unemployment figure in USA again? It's close to ours - is that what you suggest? :)

They facing an overhaul of their health care system that's going to cost them an arm and a leg too

:eek:

100% salary - 35% tax == 65% to spend... wrong a further -15% = 50%
And seeing that i am a contractor i do not have ANY benefits from my "employer" :eek:
With that i need to pay pension, feed my family and pay the bills, pay the house and try to survive :sick:

Socialism FTW
 
:eek:

100% salary - 35% tax == 65% to spend... wrong a further -15% = 50%
And seeing that i am a contractor i do not have ANY benefits from my "employer" :eek:
With that i need to pay pension, feed my family and pay the bills, pay the house and try to survive :sick:

You can then spend that 50% and pay 14% / 114% VAT and effectively get 43.85% worth of goods and services. Total tax = 56.14%!
 
They facing an overhaul of their health care system that's going to cost them an arm and a leg too

Err.... in SA:

With 7 million personal taxpayers in a population of over 50 million

What are the stats like in the US?

Interesting to note that only 47 cents out of each health care Dollar goes to health care in the US, rest goes for lawyer fees, admin and unnecessary tests to avoid lawsuits. In Canada, only 17c out of each Dollar goes to admin, unnecessary tests and lawyer fees - fewer lawsuits. The US needs to get rid of its lawsuit mentality and they've already doubled the value per Dollar of their system.

In SA however,
he estimates that it will cost the
proposed payroll contributors some 15%
of their income to achieve this, citing
StatsSA 2005 population figures of 4.8%
of the population being children under
20 and 61.6% being under 30.
Most importantly, nearly 90% of the
under-30s were jobless, while 54% of
the entire working age population was
unemployed.
Citing the WHO, she said only Japan
(36 years) and the Republic of Korea (26
years) had achieved universal coverage
in under 40 years.

I guess the minister thinks we can outdo Japan with its jobless rate of under 6% and second most powerful economy in the world.

Alan, you can't compare the situation in the US with ours. Theirs is one of lawyer abuse and compensatory testing while ours is of mass unemployment and poverty. You will be paying 15% more tax and you'll be forbidden from using your medical aid to access private health care anyway.
 
i cannot express how potentially horribly bad this is going to be.
this is not an idle threat, more doctors are going to leave in droves... again.
 
Don't moan, this is going to make our health care system world class :D
 
Alan, you can't compare the situation in the US with ours. Theirs is one of lawyer abuse and compensatory testing while ours is of mass unemployment and poverty. You will be paying 15% more tax and you'll be forbidden from using your medical aid to access private health care anyway.

All I said is they're going to be saddled with paying more too. Not comparing the reasons why.

Anyway you won't catch me in a public hospital that's for sure :sick:
 
Times like these, I think we should do what Abraham Lincoln did, and have a tax free monetary system, where the government can create money to to pay for all these services. Would create more jobs since people wouldn't get taxed to hell.

For those of you that are going to crucify me, read Web of Debt by Ellen Brown, where these monetary systems are explained in detail.

Worked wonderfully for the American Colonies and funded the War of Independence.
Hitler also managed to break free of economic troubles of Weimar Republic and make Germany the Strongest Economy in just 4 years.

Hitler’s freedom from International Debt Slavery

It is always difficult to have a discussion on the topic of WW II Germany, and Hitler, without having emotions run high. And understandably so. We do not believe that there is a world plot in place by those of the Jewish faith to dominate the world. We do however suspect that there is a plot in place by the major financiers and financial institutions, to control. We don’t necessarily agree with all the points made in the article you are about to read, but it certainly does raise some interesting points. We offer this article to our readers as an alternative viewpoint, intended to stimulate discussion. PTE

An article excerpted from:
http://www.webofdebt.com/

An interesting perspective on World War II, and the players involved.

Many people take joy in saying Wall Street and Jewish bankers “financed Hitler.” There is plenty of documented evidence that Wall Street and Jewish bankers did indeed help finance Hitler at first, partly because it allowed the bankers to get rich (as I will describe below) and partly in order to control Stalin. However, when Germany broke free from the bankers, the bankers declared a world war against Germany.

When we look at all the facts, the charge that “Jews financed Hitler” becomes irrelevant. Los Angeles Attorney Ellen Brown discusses this topic in her book Web of Debt…

When Hitler came to power, Germany was hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations on the German people, demanding that Germans repay every nation’s costs of the war. These costs totaled three times the value of all the property in Germany. Private currency speculators caused the German mark to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private banks. Germans lived in hovels. They were starving.

Nothing like this had ever happened before – the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping out of people’s savings and businesses. On top of this came a global depression. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came to power.

At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money. World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany. Hitler began a national credit program by devising a plan of public works that included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers.

The projected cost of these various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. To pay for this, the German government (not the international bankers) issued bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury Certificates. In this way the National Socialists put millions of people to work, and paid them with Treasury Certificates. Under the National Socialists, Germany’s money wasn’t backed by gold (which was owned by the international bankers). It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler said, “For every mark issued, we required the equivalent of a mark’s worth of work done, or goods produced.” The government paid workers in Certificates. Workers spent those Certificates on other goods and services, thus creating more jobs for more people. In this way the German people climbed out of the crushing debt imposed on them by the international bankers.

Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved, and Germany was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, with no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries (controlled by international bankers) were still out of work. Within five years, Germany went from the poorest nation in Europe to the richest. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, despite the international bankers’ denial of foreign credit to Germany, and despite the global boycott by Jewish-owned industries. Germany succeeded in this by exchanging equipment and commodities directly with other countries, using a barter system that cut the bankers out of the picture. Germany flourished, since barter eliminates national debt and trade deficits. (Venezuela does the same thing today when it trades oil for commodities, plus medical help, and so on. Hence the bankers are trying to squeeze Venezuela.)

Germany’s economic freedom was short-lived; but it left several monuments, including the famous Autobahn, the world’s first extensive superhighway. Hjalmar Schacht, a Rothschild agent who was temporarily head of the German central bank, summed it up thus… An American banker had commented, “Dr. Schacht, you should come to America. We’ve lots of money and that’s real banking.” Schacht replied, “You should come to Berlin. We don’t have money. That’s real banking.” (Schacht, the Rothschild agent, actually supported the private international bankers against Germany, and was rewarded by having all charges against him dropped at the Nuremberg trials.)

This economic freedom made Hitler extremely popular with the German people. Germany was rescued from English economic theory, which says that all currency must be borrowed against the gold owned by a private and secretive banking cartel — such as the Federal Reserve, or the Central Bank of Europe — rather than issued by the government for the benefit of the people. Canadian researcher Dr. Henry Makow (who is Jewish himself) says the main reason why the bankers arranged for a world war against Germany was that Hitler sidestepped the bankers by creating his own money, thereby freeing the German people. Worse, this freedom and prosperity threatened to spread to other nations. Hitler had to be stopped!

Makow quotes from the 1938 interrogation of C. G. Rakovsky, one of the founders of Soviet Bolshevism and a Trotsky intimate. Rakovsky was tried in show trials in the USSR under Stalin. According to Rakovsky, Hitler was at first funded by the international bankers, through the bankers’ agent Hjalmar Schacht. The bankers financed Hitler in order to control Stalin, who had usurped power from their agent Trotsky. Then Hitler became an even bigger threat than Stalin when Hitler started printing his own money. (Stalin came to power in 1922, which was eleven years before Hitler came to power.)

Rakovsky said:

“Hitler took over the privilege of manufacturing money, and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones. He took over the machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the people. Can you possibly imagine what would have come if this had infected a number of other states?” (Henry Makow, “Hitler Did Not Want War,” March 21, 2004).

Economist Henry C K Liu writes of Germany’s remarkable transformation:

“The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, “Nazism and the German Economic Miracle,” Asia Times (May 24, 2005).

In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry commented:

“Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 on, which accounts for Germany’s startling rise from the depression to a world power in five years. The German government financed its entire operations from 1935 to 1945 without gold, and without debt. It took the entire Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German revolution, and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers.”

These facts do not appear in any textbooks today. What does appear is the disastrous runaway inflation suffered in 1923 by the Weimar Republic, which governed Germany from 1919 to 1933. Today’s textbooks use this inflation to twist truth into its opposite. They cite the radical devaluation of the German mark as an example of what goes wrong when governments print their own money, rather than borrow it from private cartels.

In reality, the Weimar financial crisis began with the impossible reparations payments imposed at the Treaty of Versailles. Hjalmar Schacht [who was never a Nazi Party member either and now it appears clear why that was the case] – the Rothschild agent who was currency commissioner for the Republic — opposed letting the German government print its own money…
“The Treaty of Versailles is a model of ingenious measures for the economic destruction of Germany. Germany could not find any way of holding its head above the water, other than by the inflationary expedient of printing bank notes.”

Read the rest
 
All I said is they're going to be saddled with paying more too. Not comparing the reasons why.

But that's very important - reasons why. Majority of their population is employed (ie the scale of their problem is many times less than ours) and what they do spend - much of that is wasted - that can be fixed with some laws - in SA we simply don't have and you can't pour from an empty bottle by signing laws. In addition you do know that Americans are hard working and efficient - while we're hardly anything in comparison.

Anyway you won't catch me in a public hospital that's for sure :sick:

By law the private facilities will have to either make you pay them cash OR you're gonna have to go to public hospitals.
 
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