Suggestion to Vodacom for BIS going forward

grapjas

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I have a suggestion for Vodacom to try and prevent more serious BalckBerry issues.
Surely it must be possible for Vodacom to run a constant monitor on their premises recording upload and download speeds.

They can then use this along with the number of current subscribers to do some forecasting to make sure they don’t have to wait for the link to RIM to crash and burn spectacularly before they start increasing capacity.
Also I think to make something like this effective the capacity has to be planned for working hour usage and not monthly averages.
I don’t get why companies try and be so secretive. It would have been so helpful when we initially started complaining if VCD could have produced stats showing that it must be a phone specific problem because the link is definitely working fine.

@VCD any chances of something like this being implemented?
It really shouldn’t be a big job so it could be implemented in a couple of weeks.
 
Hi grapajs

Completely understand where you coming from.

We have a few other processes in the pipelines as we cannot continue to upgrade month after month.

Also keep in mind IMHO a business cannot post all the investigations , inner most workings and processes e.t.c on a public forum.
Some of the info is classified as C2, they can only advise that the matter is being looked at and reassure the client it will be resolved. I assume this would happen with all companies servicing customers.

Regards
VCD
 
Hi grapajs

Completely understand where you coming from.

We have a few other processes in the pipelines as we cannot continue to upgrade month after month.

Also keep in mind IMHO a business cannot post all the investigations , inner most workings and processes e.t.c on a public forum.
Some of the info is classified as C2, they can only advise that the matter is being looked at and reassure the client it will be resolved. I assume this would happen with all companies servicing customers.

Regards
VCD

I agree with waht you said, but currently clients are the ones pulling at the short end. I also work in the service industry and if you dont keep your clients happy they will end up walking away to someone that will give the service they "promise" to give.

Currently bis is so bad that you cant even use it.

For me that has my own exchange server, bps isntalled and running, but cant get bes on prepaid(vodacom doesnt want to give me a contract as well) is loosing clients coz i cant give them the sevice they need.

Please get bis fixed asap ! :p
 
Cool.
It's nice to know things are happening there.

I know detailed information can't be published I was thinking more of everytime someone complains we could get an answer along the lines of.
"No sorry its your phone because for the last week we have had 400kbps download average for working hours and 600 off peak"
Because as much as we use the speedtest app against Vodacom it is not a 100% accurate figure. It would be exteremely helpful if Vodacom had a tool that you guys can use to monitor speeds.
 
Cool.
It's nice to know things are happening there.

I know detailed information can't be published I was thinking more of everytime someone complains we could get an answer along the lines of.
"No sorry its your phone because for the last week we have had 400kbps download average for working hours and 600 off peak"
Because as much as we use the speedtest app against Vodacom it is not a 100% accurate figure. It would be exteremely helpful if Vodacom had a tool that you guys can use to monitor speeds.

They do have a tool that monitors bandwidth, they can see the utilization.

But there are alot of players out there that we rely on as well to delver.

and sometimes they don't :rolleyes: and this delays the process even further.

Regards
VodacomData
 
Ok.
Wow I actually just lost the last bit of respect that I had for Vodacom management.
They could see the user growth was not sustainable and yet they still pushed BlackBerry services to more people.
 
Ok.
Wow I actually just lost the last bit of respect that I had for Vodacom management.
They could see the user growth was not sustainable and yet they still pushed BlackBerry services to more people.

Hi

Am mainly generalizing here there`s alot going on that the user does not see.
But you are paying for a service and expecting it.

Regards
VodacomData
 
Would be interesting to see if ICASA have grown a backbone yet, friend has lodged a formal complaint against Vodacom about there blackberry service with ICASA, and they contacted him yesterday to say they are investigating. Im thinking of doing the same. I think they should slap a nice BIG fine on Vodacom

Operators that do not offer the quality of service prescribed by the regulator, will face fines of either R500 000 or R150 000, depending on the terms that have been breached. A repeat offence will rake in an additional R50 000 fine.

VodacomData, if you cannot upgrade the link speed month after month to keep up with the demand for blackberry services (the new blackberry "FOR EVERYONE" 8520 for example..) then you shouldnt be selling the service... you guys either have to keep up with the demand, or stop selling it.

Mashile says the operators must be responsible for additional capacity on their networks, even if there is an increase in the number of subscribers.

Lets wait and see if ICASA have some balls!
 
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Whats the procedure for logging the complaint with ICASA?
I will definitly join you guys and quite a few people at the office here feel the same.

Surely they must take notice if they get a couple of hundred complaints.
 
Hi grapajs

Completely understand where you coming from.

We have a few other processes in the pipelines as we cannot continue to upgrade month after month.

Also keep in mind IMHO a business cannot post all the investigations , inner most workings and processes e.t.c on a public forum.
Some of the info is classified as C2, they can only advise that the matter is being looked at and reassure the client it will be resolved. I assume this would happen with all companies servicing customers.

Regards
VCD

Nobody's asking you to reveal your deepest darkest company secrets, but when your company knows that your BIS link is so saturated and is basically unusable then why not be open and honest about it? Why do your paying customers constantly have to be treated like we are the idiots? like we fiddled with our devices and did something wrong? We are all human and we all make mistakes but I've yet to see Vodacom openly admit they have a big problem with BIS. In fact in 16+ years of being a loyal Vodacom customer I've yet to see Vodacom publicly admit to ANY fault :mad:
 
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Would be interesting to see if ICASA have grown a backbone yet, friend has lodged a formal complaint against Vodacom about there blackberry service with ICASA, and they contacted him yesterday to say they are investigating. Im thinking of doing the same. I think they should slap a nice BIG fine on Vodacom



VodacomData, if you cannot upgrade the link speed month after month to keep up with the demand for blackberry services (the new blackberry "FOR EVERYONE" 8520 for example..) then you shouldnt be selling the service... you guys either have to keep up with the demand, or stop selling it.



Lets wait and see if ICASA have some balls!

Good, I too am about to lodge a complaint with ICASA, more users should do the same.

consumer @ icasa.org.za
or
http://www.icasa.org.za/tabid/71/Default.aspx
 
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outsource it to someone who knows what they doing. Hell i'de pay roaming rates at this stage just to get PROPER BIS SERVICE!!!
 
Good, I too am about to lodge a complaint with ICASA, more users should do the same.

Thanks threegee. I just lodged a complaint too and I hope more of us do too. Here what I lodged:

I subscribed to vodacom's blackberry internet service (BIS) during april 2009. The unlimited on device browsing and unlimited emails were the only reasons that i decided to take the blackberry storm on a top up 315 contract.

When my bis was activated I noticed that my on device browsing was no faster than what I had previously experienced on my sony ericcson w900i on GPRS even though my blackberry was connected at 3G. I was a bit disappointed but did not complain as I was getting the same service I had previously without incurring additional data charges.

I work in Hermanus during the week and stay in cape town on weekends and during may and june I noticed that during the week my device struggled to load webpages during the day. Sometimes a single page would take 5 minutes to load if at all. I experienced continuous disconnections and timeouts and downloads almost always failed.

I am a member of mybroadband.co.za and there is a dedicated forum for vodacom broadband related topics. There I learned that my problems were not isolated and that many users infact all the vodacom bis subscribers on the forum were experiencing the same issues. The were advised by vodacom customer care to reset their devices as they believed the problem to be device related. This fix did not work for a single person who tried it. No-one at vodacom customer care was aware of any general issues being experienced by their users.

This was the problem experienced during business hours where the service was almost unusable. At around 19h00 every evening speed tests proved that connection speeds improved and the service become usable again. But at 08h00 the next morning speeds would deteriorate and the service would become unusable again.

A vodacom representative on the site with the username Vodacom3G informed us that vodacom was aware of the problem and that a resolution in the form of an upgrade to the RIM link was being implemented this was on 31 May 2009.

While we were happy that vodacom was finally admitting that there was a problem it must be noted that this was on a public forum that is not officially connected to vodacom. At that time vodacom customer care continued to deny any knowledge of a problem and there was nothing on their website or any other official communication from vodacom informing their subscribers of the problem or any potential resolution. The only people privy to this information were the users of mybroadband.co.za.

The link was upgraded and a usable service was restored. This was reported on the forum by a new vodacom representative VodacomData on 31 July 2009.

He assisted some of us in receiving refunds from vodacom for the bis subscriptions we had been paying during for a service that was not working during june and July. While I was satisfied that I was reimbursed this refund was only provided to a select group of users on a public forum who had reported their problems to a representative of vodacom on a public forum with no official connections to vodacom. Still there was no no official communication from vodacom.

Less than 2 months later things have gone back to the way I have described above. The service is totally unusable during business hours and again no communication is forthcoming from vodacom. VodacomData, a representative of vodacom on the mybroadband.co.za forum has again reported a pending upgrade of the link between vodacom and RIM. But as I mentioned before this is not an official communication channel..

Vodacom is selling a service to subscribers and is unable to deliver the service at the performance advertised by them. It must be noted that MTN BIS subscribers are not experiencing the problems that we vodacom subscribers are forced to live with.

Also vodacom are currently running a massive advertising campaign on the blackberry 8520 with 'free' bis included in the subscription price. The are increasing the userbase while being unable to deliver a usable service to their existing users. In my opinion this is unethical in the least we existing subscribers are being forced to live with a service that is deteriorating due to the increase in users while new users are being enticed to sign a 24 month contract with promises of free on device browsing and unlimited emails at lightning speed.

While in reality this is not being delivered. For new users this is only realised after the contract has been signed with no way of canceling it with incurring penalty fees as the blackberry service is usually only activated within a week activating the contract. Conveniently after the 7 day cooling off period.

I implore you to please investigate what I have reported and hold vodacom accountable for their actions as someone is certainly benefiting from the subscriptions paid to vodacom every month. And I can assure you that it isn't me or any of the other users subscribed to the service as there is no service.

All I ask is that vodacom publically admit that there is a problem on their side. That they stop signing up new subcribers until the problem is resolved and that they refund everyone affected by this non-service.

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?

Everything that I have reported is documented by various users on the links below.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=177519
 
How did you lodge your complaint?

Is there an online contact form for this?

Please post a link for rest of us.
 
Generally speaking a company offers premium services (in this case BES) on a contract service only. I would hazard because Vodacom resells the BES service on behalf of RIM (RIM does not own its own mobile carrier networks) that because of billing rules / billing software / revenue streams that this is not offered.

Try and get true prepaid ADSL (not the username and password for the account) but ordering a line from Telkom (pre-paid) and then bolting ADSL onto that piece of copper (won't happen)

Telkom wants sustained revenue for that DSLAM that you plugging into and will not write software to switch you to a POTS connection when you don't pay your full bill.

I would then market 3G/HSDPA-HSUPA/4G(LTE) when available as this gives you mobility and the widest coverage short of any fixed wired service / fixed wireless service.

I agree with waht you said, but currently clients are the ones pulling at the short end. I also work in the service industry and if you dont keep your clients happy they will end up walking away to someone that will give the service they "promise" to give.

Currently bis is so bad that you cant even use it.

For me that has my own exchange server, bps isntalled and running, but cant get bes on prepaid(vodacom doesnt want to give me a contract as well) is loosing clients coz i cant give them the sevice they need.

Please get bis fixed asap ! :p
 
Well still in the end we will be paying for the bes use as well, being contract of prepaid. Don't see any diff an that part, but I do fully agree with what you saying. ;)

I have been told a few times by vodacom that they might be bringing bes to prepaid as well. Then again my mind might have heard things. :D
 
True true.

Unless you want to develop a piece of hardware and software than can integrate with any email account out there and offer a better "browsing" experience :D

The wonders and challenges of technology & at the end of the day "profit" :cool:

Well still in the end we will be paying for the bes use as well, being contract of prepaid. Don't see any diff an that part, but I do fully agree with what you saying. ;)

I have been told a few times by vodacom that they might be bringing bes to prepaid as well. Then again my mind might have heard things. :D
 
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