ADSL price war and QoS

Hopefully it ends where we can get 20 mbps lines, unshaped and uncapped for R99..
 
All well and good for the bandwidth portion. But let's face it, ADSL will remain extremely expensive while Telkom continues to abuse its monopoly over the last mile copper provision.

Breaking the ADSL double rental rip-off is the next big challenge that consumers face, and where articles like this need to focus their attention.
 
Gatecrasher said:
Breaking the ADSL double rental rip-off is the next big challenge that consumers face, and where articles like this need to focus their attention.
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I'd have to agree. I don't think that wireless technologies are going to save us. We need to push ICASA (har har) for a change in legislation; one that makes it illegal for Telkom to double-charge for the same piece of infrastructure.
 
I'm sure it will come to wireless. Why not? Wireless is just a different "last mile".
 
hyperian said:
I'd have to agree. I don't think that wireless technologies are going to save us. We need to push ICASA (har har) for a change in legislation; one that makes it illegal for Telkom to double-charge for the same piece of infrastructure.
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So say this LLU happens, who maintains the network? Are Telkom expected to do it and probably still lose money with their ISP service? Or does each ISP pay their portion for maintenance?

Unless someone is making money from maintaining it we won't see any further development of the network surely. Which other countries do this and how does it work, just out of interest? If our ISP's have to pay Telkom for the service then nothing stops them from simply charging the same amount they do now between each ISP so that they don't lose money.

EDIT: The wikipedia on LLU was useful, for South Africa we're planning this: "It is also recommended that an organisation be created to manage the local loop and that this organisation should be under the guidance of the regulator Icasa and that Icasa be capacitated in terms of resources. The committee recommended that service providers approved by Icasa should have access to the telephone exchange infrastructure whenever necessary. The committee recommended that a regulatory guideline be established and be managed by Icasa to guarantee that strategic issues like quality of the local loop be optimised for regulation and delivery of services. Based on this report the Minister has issued policy directives to Icasa to move swiftly with the unbundling process."
 
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LLU will be unnecessary soon.

Telkom can have the last mile.

Kill the beast by killing off FTTH and mobile opportunities.

Make telkom hold onto the loss making copper lines.

Kill telkom properly or face it in another market.

Kill it.
 
ldmelsa said:
I'm sure it will come to wireless. Why not? Wireless is just a different "last mile".
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Because currently I haven't seen any changes in the wireless sector, iburst and neotel don't count.
 
Can hardly call it a war....

This is simply packaging same brown substance in different wrapping paper and calling it sugar.

It is amazing how the author dances around the term broadband and ever uses it directly. However facts are straight high contention ratios and slow lines will have this invention re-live the slow pains of Sentech
 
Gatecrasher said:
All well and good for the bandwidth portion. But let's face it, ADSL will remain extremely expensive while Telkom continues to abuse its monopoly over the last mile copper provision. Breaking the ADSL double rental rip-off is the next big challenge that consumers face, and where articles like this need to focus their attention.
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I agree - and here LLU is really the solution which may level the playing field. I will have to be done right though...no use in giving other players access to the copper infrastructure at R 300 per line per month.
 
Telkom already refuses to maintain the last mile

My adsl is down about every 2 weeks for the past 2 months. According to the tech the new line is already hanging on the pole past my house but the network supervisors refuses to do the cutover for years now because of the costs. "They should instead just use insulation tape on the bare wires"

Now that's cr@p

So maybe LLU will be a good thing if a third party maintains the infrastructure.
 
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Ekhaatvensters said:
So say this LLU happens, who maintains the network? Are Telkom expected to do it and probably still lose money with their ISP service? Or does each ISP pay their portion for maintenance?
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The encumbent maintains and upgrades/expands the network but charges any other network operators for usage thereof.

They are legally obliged to separate their wholesale and retail business, so they may not cross-subsidise their ISP business by charging more for the network usage.
 
Johan449 said:
Telkom already refuses to maintain the last mile

My adsl is down about every 2 weeks for the past 2 months. According to the tech the new line is already hanging on the pole past my house but the network supervisors refuses to do the cutover for years now because of the costs. "They should instead just use insulation tape on the bare wires"

Now that's cr@p

So maybe LLU will be a good thing if a third party maintains the infrastructure.
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Well hopefully SA won't follow the UK trend when it comes to LLU. Worked support for 2 years for a UK based ISP, BT (British Telecoms) split their engineering department so that it seemed they were seperate from the rest of the company, then they subcontracted that department out to LLU providers, so in essence, when something went wrong with the last mile of copper, it was the same people working on the cabling, regardless of the ISP!! Didn't work so good, they were always slow and reluctant to sort out issues! I used to phone and swear BT all the time, trying to tell a 60 year old man who couldn't access a gardening website that we still relied on BT to repair their line was not very easy! Not sure if that model has changed there though...
 
Infraco will have no affect on the ADSL market

Infraco will still have to use Telkom ADSL network for delivery until LL un bundling there will be no change
 
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