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Mbeki challenged

Khumalo challenges Mbeki on succession debate

An ally and confidante of embattled ANC Deputy President Jacob Zuma has sneered at President Thabo Mbeki's statement that the next president of the country should be a woman.

Elias Khumalo, a businessman, said on Wednesday that Mbeki should resign now and give his position to a woman to show his commitment to the statement he made at the weekend.

The statement has been viewed with suspicion by those backing Zuma, who feel this is a plan by Mbeki to personally appoint the next president and prevent Zuma from ascending to the position.

Khumalo said it was baffling that Mbeki was opening a debate on the presidential succession now after commenting that the time was not right for such debate when the issue was raised by the ANC Youth League in 2005.



Mbeki's comment ran contrary to ANC policy
Khumalo, a former business associate of Muziwendoda Kunene, who has been implicated in the hoax email scandal connected to the ANC's succession battle, said Mbeki's comment ran contrary to ANC policy.

He is also a leading figure in the Friends of Jacob Zuma organisation, which is responsible for mobilising financial support for Zuma's legal defence.

"It has never happened in the ANC that you have a president deciding unilaterally on his preference (of a successor). This is a sign of autocracy," said Khumalo.

He said he feared that Mbeki's call could be viewed by some people as an attempt to ensure that whoever succeeded him, whether male or female, was more "docile and controllable".

"If the president is so passionate that the next president should be a female, he can actually demonstrate that by resigning now to give the chance to a woman. I do not think anybody would oppose that because he would be practising what he is preaching," said Khumalo, adding that empowering women was a policy of the ANC and not of an individual in the party.

Mbeki's call for a woman president has also been criticised by Cosatu
Mbeki's call for a woman president has also been criticised by Cosatu in KwaZulu-Natal, with its Secretary, Zet Luzipho, saying the timing of the call raises many questions.

He warned that "women should not be used for selfish political agendas" hidden in campaigns for women empowerment.

He asked why Mbeki was so confident that the next president would be a woman.

Luzipho has been at the forefront of pro-Zuma campaigns in the province.
 
*sigh* more propoganda and willful incitement. Nothing to see here, move along.
 
kingmonty said:
*sigh* more propoganda and willful incitement. Nothing to see here, move along.
What's inciteful about the article, who is inciting who? Would you by any chance fall under the "Zuma Camp" or the "Mbeki Camp"?
 
I don't fall under either camp. Oh, and the constitution forbids any president from nominating a future president. That's up to the national assembly.
The_Constitution_of_South_Africa said:
Section 86: Election of President

86. (1) At its first sitting after its election, and whenever necessary to fill a vacancy, the National Assembly must elect a woman or a man from among its members to be the President.

(2) The President of the Constitutional Court must preside over the election of the President, or designate another judge to do so. The procedure set out in Part A of Schedule 3 applies to the election of the President.

(3) An election to fill a vacancy in the office of President must be held at a time and on a date determined by the President of the Constitutional Court, but not more than 30 days after the vacancy occurs.
All just pointless meandering really.
 
Wow thanks King i didn't know that. So Mbeki cannot really say who the hell he wants to be pres. anyway ?? Very interesting.
 
kingmonty said:
*sigh* more propoganda and willful incitement. Nothing to see here, move along.
kingmonty said:
I don't fall under either camp. Oh, and the constitution forbids any president from nominating a future president. That's up to the national assembly.
Oh........so now you actually see the merits of this debate rather than "propoganda and willful incitement"? I thought you had "moved along", welcome back. ;)
 
craigsa said:
Wow thanks King i didn't know that. So Mbeki cannot really say who the hell he wants to be pres. anyway ?? Very interesting.

He can manipulate the representation in parliament such that everybody agrees with him.

The MP's for the ANC are nominated (I believe) by the local branches, but in the end the real choices are made by the executive structures.

Whoever controls those structures controls who is elected as next president.

The proportional election system as implemented in SA is a farce.

I've heard that in the Netherlands one votes for a person and a party. The parties are then assigned the number of seats according to the proportion of votes they received and have to nominate the candidates with the most votes to the seats. Still open for abuse, but less than here.
 
Angelo said:
Oh........so now you actually see the merits of this debate rather than "propoganda and willful incitement"? I thought you had "moved along", welcome back. ;)
*sigh*, did you read what I said after I quoted the constitution?

Let me clarify. The idiot who wrote that article is simply trying to incite argument and prejudice for his friend and comrade, Jacob Zuma. Hence incitement. The whole article is nothing more than pointless gibberish.

So, NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG - which also implies, this is not even remotely newsworthy.
 
DigitalSoldier said:
@Kingmonty I wonder how many people in parliament knows about that rule ?
Probably not, but that's what I like about the DA (and to all you folks waiting to read between the lines, I am not a DA member, I am not a DA supporter, and I am not advertising the DA) - they will ensure that all processes are at least followed in accordance with the constitution.
 
kingmonty said:
*sigh*, did you read what I said after I quoted the constitution?

Let me clarify. The idiot who wrote that article is simply trying to incite argument and prejudice for his friend and comrade, Jacob Zuma. Hence incitement. The whole article is nothing more than pointless gibberish.

So, NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG - which also implies, this is not even remotely newsworthy.
Maybe not newsworthy to you.....which might explain why you are here.:rolleyes:
 
DigitalSoldier said:
Angelo how can it be newsworthy if we read this stuff almost everyday but nothing changes ?
So is Iran not newsworthy because Bush hasn't attacked yet?
 
LOL @ angelo you love to question everything you read ? :p

Well it depends if you are wondering if a ww3 will break out anytime soon. There are new developments between iran and america everyday unlike south africa where they need to talk and talk and talk but NOTHING ever happens
 
DigitalSoldier said:
LOL @ angelo you love to question everything you read ? :p

Well it depends if you are wondering if a ww3 will break out anytime soon. There are new developments between iran and america everyday unlike south africa where they need to talk and talk and talk but NOTHING ever happens
What has happened in "ww3" besides talking?
 
For one we now know that iran have missiles that can reach Europe which I think is good to know there is a whole list I can mention but just search through the forum and you will see its actually interesting stuff.
 
@Angelo

I am concerned where you are going with your tone.
Don't play the person.
This is a debating forum.
Actually MyADSL was a place started to address the problems in South Africa involving Broadband.
Originally ADSL, but now just generally broadband.

Up until now your posts from what I can see from your forum history has nothing to do with Broadband and focuses mainly in the News & Current Affairs section.

You have created 5 threads:
Mbeki challenged
Zuma Interview on Special Assignment
The Nation's future is in peril
Cheer The Beloved Country
Tutu lashes out at white South Africans in TRC debate

I am in no way picking on you.
We have many members that feel they enjoy the Off Topic Section more.
Just don't lose sight of what MyADSL is all about. :)
 
BTTB said:
@Angelo

I am concerned where you are going with your tone.
Don't play the person.
This is a debating forum.
Actually MyADSL was a place started to address the problems in South Africa involving Broadband.
Originally ADSL, but now just generally broadband.

Up until now your posts from what I can see from your forum history has nothing to do with Broadband and focuses mainly in the News & Current Affairs section.

You have created 5 threads:
Mbeki challenged
Zuma Interview on Special Assignment
The Nation's future is in peril
Cheer The Beloved Country
Tutu lashes out at white South Africans in TRC debate

I am in no way picking on you.
We have many members that feel they enjoy the Off Topic Section more.
Just don't lose sight of what MyADSL is all about. :)
Not taking any sides here but BTTB, it seems like some members need to be told that not only Angelo directly like you did.
 
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