UK warns toursists against SA

Not just the UK,

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/South_Africa
Australian Government said:
Travel Advice for South Africa - Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade

- We advise you to exercise caution and monitor developments that might affect your safety in South Africa because of the risk of serious crime.


http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1008.html
US Government said:
CRIME: Although the vast majority of visitors complete their travels in South Africa without incident, visitors should be aware that criminal activity, sometimes violent, occurs routinely. Notwithstanding government anti-crime efforts, violent crimes such as armed robberies, carjacking, muggings, "smash and grab" attacks on vehicles and other incidents are regularly reported by visitors and resident Americans.

Crimes against property, such as carjacking, have often been accompanied by violent acts, including murder, when victims resist or are slow to respond to attackers’ demands. South Africa also has the highest incidence of reported rape in the world. Foreigners are not specifically targeted, but several have been the victims of rape. Victims of violent crime, especially rape, are strongly encouraged to seek immediate medical attention, including antiretroviral therapy against HIV/AIDS. Questions about how to receive such treatment should be directed to the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

Criminal activity, such as assault, armed robbery and theft, is particularly high in areas surrounding many hotels and public transportation centers, especially in major cities. Theft of passports and other valuables is most likely to occur at airports, bus terminals, and train stations. A number of Americans have been mugged or violently attacked on commuter and metro trains, especially between Johannesburg and Pretoria. Several American travelers also reported theft of personal belongings after strangers whom they invited into their hotel drugged them. In at least one instance, the American died after being robbed/drugged in this manner.

In areas of Mpumalanga Province west of Kruger National Park, there have been violent attacks on foreign tourists. In the Western Cape, police resources have been strained by continuing gang conflicts and vigilante violence in the Cape Flats area of Cape Town. Some portions of the provinces of Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal, such as the "Wild Coast," have significant levels of crime and inadequate medical services. Travelers may wish to contact the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate before embarking on trips to these particular areas.

Armed robberies of cash-in-transit vehicles and personnel occur throughout South Africa and peak during December and January due to the increase in cash flow from commercial stores to banks. These attacks have also included incidents at major malls and in large grocery stores. Individuals should raise their level of situational awareness while in the vicinity of cash-in-transit vehicles and personnel and avoid areas where they are located to the maximum extent possible.

Credit card fraud, counterfeit U.S. currency, and various check-cashing scams are frequently reported. Do not accept "assistance" from anyone, or agree to assist others with ATM transactions. Travelers should try to avoid using ATMs after bank business hours or in remote locations. When giving your credit card to a store or restaurant employee for processing, do not let them take the card out of your sight. Visitors should also beware of telephone or email schemes which attempt to win the confidence of an unsuspecting American who is persuaded either to provide privileged financial information or travel to South Africa to assist in a supposedly lucrative business venture.
 
Kinda Skeptical

This looks like a newspaper MAKING an article. Read this article twice and alot of the wording is very suspicious. Plus this information comes from claims from an insurance company.

Of 60 000 claims, 1 000 claims were from tourists who visited SA (1:60). It does not mention how many tourists visit SA. SA is a very popular destination for people in Great Britain so if..

500 000 people visit SA - 200 affected by crime & reported to insurance
100 000 people visit USA - 20 affected by crime & reported to insurance

The insurance company says you are 10 times more likely to be affected by crime (because they look at their claims) when it is only 2 times.

I'm not saying this is the case, but this all the information they mention, the number of claims.
 
you might be sceptical, but the fact stands out, that SA is an unsafe destination...

how many ppl will take this into concideration when coming to SA for 2010.
cause atm things are just getting worse

imagine what those reports would look like in 4 years time

just an example
Murder rate very high in SA, beware of driving on the roads, ppl constantly report of rocks being thrown at them, etc...
 
I agree that there are major problems with crime here and the justice system, I was just relpying "on topic" about the UK article.
 
Much better than 15 or 20 years ago, when South Africa wasn't recommended as a tourist destination at all. Of course, if you were a tourist who happened to be black, you weren't welcome here at all in any case. Heaven forbid you were a member of the Brazillian or French soccer team - you may have been locked up for not having a dompas! Lets all keep some perspective here. The country has some way to go, but is waaaaaay better than it was 15 or 20 years ago, both in the eyes of the international world, and for the majority of us locals.

The glass is more than half full and filling up very fast.
 
This forum is infested with doom and gloom stories about SA.

Well - that is not my reality. And I suspect it is not the reality of most forumites (what with luxury of broadband and of sitting on their arses all day posting doom and gloom stories about SA).

Life is good. Get out and enjoy it.
 
Applause to all the patriotic SAfricans our there who see the problems in SA for what they are and are postive about making the country a better place.
 
Waron said:
Applause to all the patriotic SAfricans our there who see the problems in SA for what they are and are postive about making the country a better place.
Patriotism? Bah! I do however love "being at home" - and live for a better place. That doesn't include saying Ja Baas to the ANC and saying nothing, smiling broadly.
 
Waron said:
Applause to all the patriotic SAfricans our there who see the problems in SA for what they are and are postive about making the country a better place.
Bravo - I'm glad you're admitting there are problems.
 
Nobody is denying there are problems, not the citizens, and not the government. It is the way the government and the people resond to these problems that will depend on how fast things will get better (or worse).
 
I think most people are not doom and gloom because of the problems. All countries have problems and problems can be fixed, no matter how big. Its the fact that our government isn't doing anything to fix the real problems we face.
 
<sarcasm>Yeah let's spend a few billion renaming a few airports and cities, maybe that'll magically get rid of our real problems. I'm sure that will improve our image abroad.</sarcasm>
 
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Waron said:
Nobody is denying there are problems, not the citizens, and not the government.

Thats not entirely true. Just recently we were told to leave if we didn't like the crime by our government and the other day the president said that the people who doubt if SA call pull of 2010 are just unhappy because apartheid ended.

These are not constructive things to say. For more examples of government not admitting there is a problem - see the telecomincations sector.
 
icyrus said:
I think most people are not doom and gloom because of the problems. All countries have problems and problems can be fixed, no matter how big. Its the fact that our government isn't doing anything to fix the real problems we face.

What are the real problems we face? Is it the spread of HIV and decimation of the workforce, the abundence of poverty, lack of sanitation, electricity, running water, it is the poor state of public healthcare, education, transport or it the crime wave that thrives in the SA environment?

I think you should re-phrase to... "Its the fact that our government isn't doing anything to fix the real problems I face."
 
I see the momentum is picking up(sooner than I thought

And tell me my good friend, do you think things, or will we call them opinions on this or that, just materializes out of thin air. Some ppl go about things in a subtle way to get what they want.
 
Waron said:
What are the real problems we face? Is it the spread of HIV and decimation of the workforce, the abundence of poverty, lack of sanitation, electricity, running water, it is the poor state of public healthcare, education, transport or it the crime wave that thrives in the SA environment?

I think you should re-phrase to... "Its the fact that our government isn't doing anything to fix the real problems I face."

Ok then, what is the government doing to fix the problem you've listed? Renaming an airport?
 
ajak said:
And tell me my good friend, do you think things, or will we call them opinions on this or that, just materializes out of thin air. Some ppl go about things in a subtle way to get what they want.

I think most opinions are borrowed. Too many people believe rumour and hype without looking at the facts for themselves.
 
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