Removing the catalytic converter

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Took my car, 2009 Captiva 2l diesel, in for a service this morning. I just received a call from them offering to "de-cat" it. They claim I'll have better performance/fuel efficiency. Is it worth the r900 they want to charge?
 
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It won't better your car's performance as cars are now designed to run with a cat.
It will reduce the back pressure which will in effect reduce engine efficiency.

This massive plant I work in doesn't exist for the sake of it.
 
Hmm, on a diesel? Not sure, I know it has better improvements on turbo charged cars so I don't see why this wouldn't be passed onto a TDi. I'd ask them if you can keep the converter if they're charging that much to remove it.
 
Took my car, 2009 Captiva 2l diesel, in for a service this morning. I just received a call from them offering to "de-cat" it. They claim I'll have better performance/fuel efficiency. Is it worth the r900 they want to charge?

Umm not worth R900 all they probably going to do is remove the cat then weld a pipe in its place (super quick or quick fitl charge you like R100 for the same :D ) - it won't give you more power or better fuel efficiency - might just sound a little louder.
 
And don't forget you'll be contributing to pollution so there's also that.

Keep it unless your car is spewing black smoke out the back.
 
Bwana from Wikiepdia

Diesel engines[edit]
For compression-ignition (i.e., diesel engines), the most commonly used catalytic converter is the Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC). This catalyst uses O2 (oxygen) in the exhaust gas stream to convert CO (carbon monoxide) to CO2 (carbon dioxide) and HC (hydrocarbons) to H2O (water) and CO2. These converters often operate at 90 percent efficiency, virtually eliminating diesel odor and helping to reduce visible particulates (soot). These catalysts are not active for NOx reduction because any reductant present would react first with the high concentration of O2 in diesel exhaust gas.
Reduction in NOx emissions from compression-ignition engines has previously been addressed by the addition of exhaust gas to incoming air charge, known as exhaust gas recirculation (EGR). In 2010, most light-duty diesel manufacturers in the U.S. added catalytic systems to their vehicles to meet new federal emissions requirements. There are two techniques that have been developed for the catalytic reduction of NOx emissions under lean exhaust conditions - selective catalytic reduction (SCR) and the lean NOx trap or NOx adsorber. Instead of precious metal-containing NOx adsorbers, most manufacturers selected base-metal SCR systems that use a reagent such as ammonia to reduce the NOx into nitrogen. Ammonia is supplied to the catalyst system by the injection of urea into the exhaust, which then undergoes thermal decomposition and hydrolysis into ammonia. One trademark product of urea solution, also referred to as Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF), is AdBlue.
Diesel exhaust contains relatively high levels of particulate matter (soot), consisting in large part of elemental carbon. Catalytic converters cannot clean up elemental carbon, though they do remove up to 90 percent of the soluble organic fraction[citation needed], so particulates are cleaned up by a soot trap or diesel particulate filter (DPF). Historically, a DPF consists of a Cordierite or Silicon Carbide substrate with a geometry that forces the exhaust flow through the substrate walls, leaving behind trapped soot particles. Contemporary DPFs can be manufactured from a variety of rare metals that provide superior performance (at a greater expense).[18] As the amount of soot trapped on the DPF increases, so does the back pressure in the exhaust system. Periodic regenerations (high temperature excursions) are required to initiate combustion of the trapped soot and thereby reducing the exhaust back pressure. The amount of soot loaded on the DPF prior to regeneration may also be limited to prevent extreme exotherms from damaging the trap during regeneration.


TLDR - Don't do it you'll end up with that Diesel smell and poison mother earth
 
ya that too - I wonder you think they charge people insane amounts to de-cat then melt them down to extract the few microns of Platinum found in the cat?

Pretty much.
We have a monolith retrieval department which cuts all the cats open to retrieve the monolith even if it is scap or not.
BASF for example normally have platinum delivered by armored guard.
 
My diesel has been running without a cat for 3 years now. My local exhaust shop charged R150 to remove it. Reason for removing it was that it dislodged itself and blocked the exhaust. The procedure was to loosen the exhaust form the cat, then use a rod and hammer to break it up into smaller pieces and let that fall out. At the same time I removed the only silencer in the system. That. Turbo diesels don't need silencers as the turbo do the silencing. The noise of the turbo dumping into the exhaust is quite additive once the silencer is gone though.:D

My advice, if it is broken, remove it. If not, leave it be. The cost of a new unit if the vehicle is not under warranty is quite scary sometimes.
 
I had mine removed last year because it was borked (on my Pajero), they said that it was because driving through water had probably resulted in rapid cooling of the housing and the cat had broken off inside the housing. Can't say I've noticed any difference in performance.
 
Unless the CAT is broken don't remove it

1) They contain a lot of platinum, so they'll get a fare share from scrap value
2) Engines are designed to run with them
3) It'll increase your fuel consumption - had the cat removed from our one vehicle, fuel consumption went from 11.5 to 15 per 100km, others have had similar results
 
I had mine removed last year because it was borked (on my Pajero), they said that it was because driving through water had probably resulted in rapid cooling of the housing and the cat had broken off inside the housing. Can't say I've noticed any difference in performance.

They were bsing you.
The cat is secured by a fiber mat that is compressed into the housing.
This is hydraulically pressed into position.

The monolith itself cannot loosen and rattle in the housing.
 
Just make sure that they adjust your ecu as some cars will display a fault on the dash if the o2 sensor isn't deactivated.
 
How long do cats last? My car is on 300000km, and it was recently suggested to me that I remove it.
 
Searched the 4x4community forums. Most people report improved fuel consumption and more power.
I assume they would know more on the subject ...
 
Searched the 4x4community forums. Most people report improved fuel consumption and more power.
I assume they would know more on the subject ...

It depends on the car some have O2 sensors in front and behind the Cat those cars often require messing with the electronics so that the fuel consumption does not get affected.
 
Searched the 4x4community forums. Most people report improved fuel consumption and more power.
I assume they would know more on the subject ...

I have worked in the cat industry for years so you're right, they know more on the subject.....
 
Searched the 4x4community forums. Most people report improved fuel consumption and more power.
I assume they would know more on the subject ...

when it comes to fuel saving anecdotal evidence is the worst.
its how all those weird fuel saving gadgets and crap make money.
My Theory is if it really worked your car would have it as standard (Or in this case not have it) Car companies spends millions on research trying to get more power for less fuel for what if it was that simple.
 
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