Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

[Cray]

dude.

Regan was called Hitler.
George Bush was called Hitler.
Obama was called Hitler.

Various US politicians from the 1960's have been called Hitler.

For so many of you alt-right wing folk, your knowledge of US politics begins with Trump. It is like US politics never existed before he arrived.

Yup, especially during the Iraq invasion.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-sep-20-fg-hitler20-story.html

German Comparison of Bush to Hitler Irks U.S

Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin told a small group of labor union members Wednesday that Bush was going after Iraq to divert attention from domestic problems. “That’s a popular method. Even Hitler did that,” the German newspaper Schwaebisches Tagblatt quoted her as saying.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jan/5/20040105-114507-1007r/

Jewish advocacy groups led an avalanche of sharp criticism yesterday against two potential television ads that compare President Bush to Adolf Hitler and were posted on a Web site run by MoveOn.org.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Congress said the ads were beyond the pale of political discussion. Rep. Eric Cantor, Virginia Republican, called them “hate-mongering.”

 

[rambo919]

dude.

Regan was called Hitler.
George Bush was called Hitler.
Obama was called Hitler.

Various US politicians from the 1960's have been called Hitler.

For so many of you alt-right wing folk, your knowledge of US politics begins with Trump. It is like US politics never existed before he arrived.

Not by basically the whole establishment and mass media in concert no. This is new.

You cannot point to any previous point in time where not agreeing with this assertion would paint you as basically a nazi yourself.

 

[WollieVerstege]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but this is absolutely hilarious. The Russian State has become a joke.

So you are a Russian and you have a dream about meeting Zelensky and post it on social media.
The authorities give you a fine about the dream you had.
So you think this is unfair to get a fine for a dream you had and give an interview expressing such.
The authorities see the interview and give you another fine.
This is ridiculous, so you give another interview discussing the fine you got for the first interview about the dream you posted about.
The authorities see this and give you yet another fine.
LOL

Russian Fined for Discussing Fine for Sharing Zelensky Dream - The Moscow Times

A Russian court in the Siberian city of Chita has fined a local man for speaking to the press about the fine he had previously received for sharing a dream he had about Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky, the independent Mediazona news website reported Tuesday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Well it is the land of the Matryoshka doll

 

[Impala]

Lemme just post a obligatory reminder of how reality according to perception shifted regarding the EE darlings of the West.....

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You are all completely full of hypocritical BS with your pretentions of moral superiority given the government you are actively supporting.

This photo is just for sensation.
Let's take the Reuters article "Ukraine's neo-Nazi Problem". If you read the article then you realise that there is a small neo-nazi issue and Ukraine did use some military elements when Russia annexed Crimea, which might complicate things. But this issue is being exaggerated by Russia.
Corruption is still a big issue in Ukraine, however, I think the war is the main issue of focus for the country. There is still media focus on corruption, even major news outlets reporting on it this year, such as Time, The Guardian, Al Jazeera and BBC.

All that this photo shows is that Ukraine's priorities have shifted to protect its sovereignty. So whatever pro Russia agenda you are trying to push is doing the exact opposite.

 

[rambo919]

This photo is just for sensation.
Let's take the Reuters article "Ukraine's neo-Nazi Problem". If you read the article then you realise that there is a small neo-nazi issue and Ukraine did use some military elements when Russia annexed Crimea, which might complicate things. But this issue is being exaggerated by Russia.
Corruption is still a big issue in Ukraine, however, I think the war is the main issue of focus for the country. There is still media focus on corruption, even major news outlets reporting on it this year, such as Time, The Guardian, Al Jazeera and BBC.

All that this photo shows is that Ukraine's priorities have shifted to protect its sovereignty. So whatever pro Russia agenda you are trying to push is doing the exact opposite.

Mate.... this is not about Ukraine's priorities.... it's about the mainstream narrative's priorities.

 

[Impala]

Mate.... this is not about Ukraine's priorities.... it's about the mainstream narrative's priorities.

How is there a change in the mainstream narrative's priorities? These issues are discussed in mainstream media, like the examples I gave about corruption. Regarding the neo-nazi problem, it is still being discussed, maybe not as much in Ukraine but then again this is an issue that is exaggerated by Russia. This problem is not just a unique Ukrainian problem, it is a worldwide problem. Countries like the USA. India. Brazil, Australia and many more. Do not come and say that it is only in Ukraine that there is a neo nazi problem.

 

[Cray]

Yes there was token resistance but nothing that was NOTHING like what they currently do with Russia for basically doing the same thing only being worse at it.

I regard both this invasion and the US invasion of Iraq as deplorable. You just seem ticked off that the US got away with it more than the idea of the fact that both wars were/are reprehensible.

Given that it's hardly a new idea I never expected you to be.

It's certainly a curious point of view from someone who claims to be neutral.

Ah the "I am more evolved than you" angle. This is only supportable if the invaded nation did nothing to provoke it and the invader has no defensive case to make for the invasion.

This is a new one, I have heard the provoked thing before but please go on about the defensive case for Russia invading another country.

Also as has been pointed out many times, the kinetic phase of warfare is not necessarily the first one, this war already started decades ago with NATO being the chief aggressor and Ukraine firing the first shots.

There was a Ukrainian civil war that Russia instigated and stoked and Russia annexed Crimea, but yeah, this is all NATO's fault. If you think you are neutral I would love to see the stuff you post if you admitted to supporting Russia.

This is not a war Russia started in a vacuum, it's a civil war that Russia (whether it agitated for it or not) only kinetically entered after it had already started.

Cough, Crimea, cough.

Apartheid was going to end anyway, it's about how it was forced to end and who was forced into power.

Forced into power? Do you mean by a majority of people voting in a party of their choosing?

It's about the rank hypocrisy as well as how their failed invasions PROVE that foreign interference never solves anything but instead makes it worse..... and a reminder that yet again their arms industry in profiting from the deaths of people of a foreign nation.

And yet here you are making excuses for Russia by saying that Ukraine had it coming...

There is no such thing as a "developing country" that is Social Darwinist nonsense.

Let's just assume that I am using this definition rather than getting into the weeds with your "social Darwinist" thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country

A developing country is a sovereign state with a lesser developed industrial base and a lower Human Development Index (HDI) relative to other countries

Isolationism which I advocate for in general in no way touches on business dealings since it is a political matter.... but then again.... I don't think it a good idea for countries to operate businesses in other countries anyway, if you set up your economy on the money of other countries instead of your own.... you don't actually own your own economy.

That's a very odd position to take.

The only way Ukraine still resists is the loans it got from foreign countries, if this war ends with a Ukrainian victory.... they basically won't own their own country anymore for generations. While pretending to be morally superior the Western institutions have basically collectively captured a country. Everyone goes on about "invading a sovereign country"..... Ukraine is NOT sovereign anymore.

The moment you cannot chose your own policies or make your own laws as you see fit you are NOT sovereign over yourself. This whole #IStandWithUkraine narrative is built on a series of scams. If Russia wins the scammers will lose billions.... which is another reason they want to try and force it to lose.

Okay when and how did Ukraine lose the ability to make its own laws and decisions?

 

[rambo919]

How is there a change in the mainstream narrative's priorities? These issues are discussed in mainstream media, like the examples I gave about corruption. Regarding the neo-nazi problem, it is still being discussed, maybe not as much in Ukraine but then again this is an issue that is exaggerated by Russia. This problem is not just a unique Ukrainian problem, it is a worldwide problem. Countries like the USA. India. Brazil, Australia and many more. Do not come and say that it is only in Ukraine that there is a neo nazi problem.

It's clear as day, first they were "reporting" on how Ukraine is highly corrupt and has a big neo-nazi problem.... Now it's Ukraine is barely corrupt and if at all it's because of the war and the nazi thing is overblown, now Putin, Putin is the REAL nazi here... in fact lets call him Putler so people cannot miss our messaging.

It's not what they said per se, it's how they completely flipped the script overnight. The lens changed not the facts.

Worldwide there are accusations of having a neonazi problem to deflect from internal problems.... Ukraine is different as it literally has such units integrated into the army.... it would be like having the EFF form an army unit and allowing them to attack the subburbs of CAPXIT support bases.

 

[Harold_Crick]

The dudes are already dead..... you cannot really brutalize someone unless he is still breathing....

EDIT: This is simply the same thing I have been saying all along. Everyone globally is reverting to how they were before Christianity spread. Heads on pikes were a common wartime thing to do.

Mutilating and despoiling war dead is a contravention of International Humanitarian Law and as a signatory of the Geneva Conventions, Russia is held to these laws of armed conflict. The perpetrators are guilty of multiple war crimes; executing a captured enemy combatant (you could also classify beheading as torture, so another crime) and despoiling the body of an enemy combatant/disrespecting war dead.

Rule 113 - Treatment of the Dead

The obligation to take all possible measures to prevent the dead from being despoiled (or pillaged) was first codified in the 1907 Hague Convention (X).[1] It is now also codified in the Geneva Conventions.[2] It is also contained in Additional Protocol I,[3] albeit in more general terms of “respecting” the dead, which includes the notion of preventing the remains from being despoiled.[4]

 

[Impala]

It's clear as day, first they were "reporting" on how Ukraine is highly corrupt and has a big neo-nazi problem.... Now it's Ukraine is barely corrupt and if at all it's because of the war and the nazi thing is overblown, now Putin, Putin is the REAL nazi here... in fact lets call him Putler so people cannot miss our messaging.

It's not what they said per se, it's how they completely flipped the script overnight. The lens changed not the facts.

Did you even take a look at some of the articles I've posted regarding corruption? Even the Reuters article mentioned that it is not as big of a problem as Russia makes it to be. Maybe remove those biased glasses and take a look. There is no point in having this discussion if you refuse to take a look at what is being provided as a counterargument.

Worldwide there are accusations of having a neonazi problem to deflect from internal problems.... Ukraine is different as it literally has such units integrated into the army.... it would be like having the EFF form an army unit and allowing them to attack the subburbs of CAPXIT support bases.

The comparison you give here is not the same because CAPXIT will not take place. The Ukraine situation is that of a foreign country attempting to take over Ukraine.
If some country invades South Africa and the EFF is willing to fight against the invaders, then of course I will support their integration into the army for the war. This does not mean I support their ideologies.
On a side note, do not think the looting skills of the EFF will help in a war situation so don't think they will be integrated into the army.

 

[rvZA]

US Special Forces in Ukraine at embassy, official confirms, as Pentagon document leak probe heats up​

White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby has revealed to Fox News on Wednesday that there is a "small U.S. military presence" at the American embassy in Ukraine.

Kirby was asked about leaked Pentagon documents suggesting there are U.S. Special Forces operating inside the war-torn country.

"I won't talk to the specifics of numbers and that kind of thing. But to get to your exact question, there is a small U.S. military presence at the embassy in conjunction with the Defense Attachés office to help us work on accountability of the material that is going in and out of Ukraine," Kirby said, referencing the weapons and other support the U.S. has been sending to Kyiv. "So they're attached to that embassy and to that the defense attache."

US Special Forces in Ukraine at embassy, official confirms, as Pentagon document leak probe heats up

White House National Security spokesman John Kirby tells Fox News that American troops are at the U.S. embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine: a "small U.S. military presence."

www.foxnews.com

 

[ForceFate]

US Special Forces in Ukraine at embassy, official confirms, as Pentagon document leak probe heats up​

US Special Forces in Ukraine at embassy, official confirms, as Pentagon document leak probe heats up

White House National Security spokesman John Kirby tells Fox News that American troops are at the U.S. embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine: a "small U.S. military presence."

www.foxnews.com

Before I even read the articles, don't they work at their embassy?

 

[rambo919]

I regard both this invasion and the US invasion of Iraq as deplorable. You just seem ticked off that the US got away with it more than the idea of the fact that both wars were/are reprehensible.

I am ticked off that the exact same people that got away with it now preach about the same thing being done being reprehensible.... basically because Russia is doing it instead of them. And I am ticked off by the people that supposedly don't support it now support them in their condemnation. What the hell does this support or lack of support that you lot want to force the rest of us to also engage in actually accomplish?

It's certainly a curious point of view from someone who claims to be neutral.

Being neutral does not mean I have to ignore the facts of this conflict and pretend they don't exist.

This is a new one, I have heard the provoked thing before but please go on about the defensive case for Russia invading another country.

Then you have never really listened properly? How else would they provoke Russia than by becoming a threat of some kind be it direct or indirect?

There was a Ukrainian civil war that Russia instigated and stoked and Russia annexed Crimea, but yeah, this is all NATO's fault. If you think you are neutral I would love to see the stuff you post if you admitted to supporting Russia.

Cough, Crimea, cough.

Crimea being annexed was Russia taking advantage of the hostilities when the idiots gave them that particular pretext on a silver platter. Just one part of the big picture everyone makes a lot of noise about but not particularly important in own right.

Forced into power? Do you mean by a majority of people voting in a party of their choosing?

If you have a multinational effort to promote one and only one terrorist group as "the only real representative voice of black SA" both in SA and abroad and then demand to not recognize any election unless they stand in it.... how is this not forcing them into power? Was a brilliant con job I admit.

And yet here you are making excuses for Russia by saying that Ukraine had it coming...

No not excuses, giving the full picture and not holding back because your chosen side happened to have a hand in their own demise. If you had been paying attention you would have noticed I have not been flattering about Russia either.

Let's just assume that I am using this definition rather than getting into the weeds with your "social Darwinist" thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country

That's a very odd position to take.

How so? Just because you are poor does not mean you have to be a whore.

Okay when and how did Ukraine lose the ability to make its own laws and decisions?

As a stupid example. If they do not make certain decisions in the future, they will default on their loans. Their creditors OWN their future policy decisions. The IMF has been doing this for decades to promote their desired agendas and they are not the only one doing it.

 

[rambo919]

Did you even take a look at some of the articles I've posted regarding corruption? Even the Reuters article mentioned that it is not as big of a problem as Russia makes it to be. Maybe remove those biased glasses and take a look. There is no point in having this discussion if you refuse to take a look at what is being provided as a counterargument.

It's not Russia that made these claims, it's the mass media themselves.

The comparison you give here is not the same because CAPXIT will not take place.

Except it or some version of it will but that is besides the point since this was a hypothetical.

The Ukraine situation is that of a foreign country attempting to take over Ukraine.
If some country invades South Africa and the EFF is willing to fight against the invaders, then of course I will support their integration into the army for the war. This does not mean I support their ideologies.

Here we differ, at that point I will go to war against the state that has already gone to war with me.

On a side note, do not think the looting skills of the EFF will help in a war situation so don't think they will be integrated into the army.

It was the best local example I could come up with.... MK is hardly any better.

 

[rambo919]

Mutilating and despoiling war dead is a contravention of International Humanitarian Law and as a signatory of the Geneva Conventions, Russia is held to these laws of armed conflict. The perpetrators are guilty of multiple war crimes; executing a captured enemy combatant (you could also classify beheading as torture, so another crime) and despoiling the body of an enemy combatant/disrespecting war dead.

That is it's own discussion. I don't dispute that it is an undesirable activity, my dispute is the assertion that it is exceptionally brutal when it's still garden variety stuff compared to other possibilities.

It's really strange to me.... people keep accusing Russians of basically being so uncivilized they are animals.... but when they actually act like savages people seem surprised by it. A really odd case of cognitive dissonance.

 

[Impala]

It was the best local example I could come up with.... MK is hardly any better.

At least something I can agree with

 

[Next Thing]

That's the problem with you lot, when I am being neutral on something you choose to believe I am taking the side you are opposing.

That's half of why I don't bother to outright say I don't condone something.... to let others hang themselves by their assumptions. The other half is since I don't condone it I feel no need to defend myself.

Nope you are not being neutral.
You just forgot to put your filter on in your sick mind

 

[rambo919]

Nope you are not being neutral.
You just forgot to put your filter on in your sick mind

gurgle gurgle faaart giggle

 

[Dave]

US Special Forces in Ukraine at embassy, official confirms, as Pentagon document leak probe heats up​

US Special Forces in Ukraine at embassy, official confirms, as Pentagon document leak probe heats up

White House National Security spokesman John Kirby tells Fox News that American troops are at the U.S. embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine: a "small U.S. military presence."

www.foxnews.com

Typical, you quote the FauxNews headline that says something the story doesn't.

there is a small U.S. military presence at the embassy in conjunction with the Defense Attachés office to help us work on accountability of the material that is going in and out of Ukraine

 

[buka001]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646141298678661121

More on the leaks.

It still could be a very smart psyop, or an actual leak.