South Africans could travel almost triple the distance in an electric car with R100 worth of electricity compared to petrol

Nerfherder said:
and what modern ICE car can operate 10 years without something major going wrong.
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The majority of them actually - and that has been the case for a long time already.

The internet exaggerates the amount of lemons - but the vast majority of the vast majority of brands just get on with the job at hand. I have across my private and business fleet a number of high mileage cars that are over 10 years old, that are running daily without hassles, and have only had routine maintenance their whole lives.

Some even have badges like Land Rover, Alfa and Peugeot - brands that are apparently supposed to be super unreliable
 
Nerfherder said:
and what modern ICE car can operate 10 years without something major going wrong.
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My Toyota RAV4 diesel AWD 4x4. It's 11 years old and never broken down once.

Compare that to my absolute rubbish Landrover. They come standard with an oil leak. I even had to replace the gearbox after 6 years!
 
Zellephant said:
The majority of them actually - and that has been the case for a long time already.

The internet exaggerates the amount of lemons - but the vast majority of the vast majority of brands just get on with the job at hand. I have across my private and business fleet a number of high mileage cars that are over 10 years old, that are running daily without hassles, and have only had routine maintenance their whole lives.

Some even have badges like Land Rover, Alfa and Peugeot - brands that are apparently supposed to be super unreliable
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With zero maintenance ?

Because an electric car only needs to have batteries and tires replaced.
 
Nerfherder said:
With zero maintenance ?
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I said nothing but routine maintenance.
Nerfherder said:
Because an electric car only needs to have batteries and tires replaced.
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Really?

No brake pads? No wheel bearings? No cooling systems that need maintenance? No aircon that needs maintenance? No suspension that needs maintenance? No rubber bushings that wear out?

Also saying “they only need batteries replaced” is a bit of a stretch, when the cost of a battery is measured in hundreds of thousands of rand range.
 
Zellephant said:
I said nothing but routine maintenance.

Really?

No brake pads? No wheel bearings? No cooling systems that need maintenance? No aircon that needs maintenance? No suspension that needs maintenance? No rubber bushings that wear out?

Also saying “they only need batteries replaced” is a bit of a stretch, when the cost of a battery is measured in hundreds of thousands of rand range.
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No there are things that need replacement.

So far on my Tesla I needed to replace my aircon filter, my wiper blades and need to rotate my tyres in two years for 60k km.

I have lost 2km in my range so far (I think LFP has better degradation), but replacing the battery is cheaper than replacing my 330's engine and the battery should last longer than an average car's engine - so that isn't too much of an issue for me. Also hopefully the batteries get cheaper over time.

I don't know how much batteries cost in SA as I think there might be extra tax at play vs engines.
 
AnimateX said:
"R100 worth of electricity"

Good lord that is such a meaningless statement. Where in South Africa? **** article.
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They show a table with many different places in South Africa in the article, so that should cover it.
 
Nerfherder said:
and what modern ICE car can operate 10 years without something major going wrong.
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There's wrong like a clutch kit for a couple grand and there's wrong like this:

“When we started out doing Nissan Leaf upgrades, the 62kWh battery pack was around R300,000,” he said.

For reference, the Leaf’s original price was R446,000. Adjusted for inflation, it would have been about R652,369 in 2022 when Saiyad began doing EV upgrades.

An alternative option is the original 40kWh battery that came in later Leaf models, supporting over 300km range. It had a landing and installation cost of about R220,000.

However, in recent years, Saiyad started developing and building his own 40kWh battery pack — starting with a frame that could fit under the Leaf — which he offers for R185,000, with installation.
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Saiyad said it was currently challenging to source 42kWh replacement batteries for the BMW i3, and the packs were very expensive, with pricing around R210,000 before shipping to South Africa.

To reduce costs, he has also been developing his own kit for a similar upgrade to the Nissan Leaf, although he admits it is more complicated with the i3’s liquid cooling system.
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R175,000 to replace an electric car battery in South Africa — and triple its range

While the vast majority of EV owners in South Africa won’t need a replacement any time soon, some are seeing a business opportunity in the drastic range increase that an upgrade can bring to yesteryear’s models.
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R185K for a third party battery on a Nissan, FOK
 
Zellephant said:
You can’t be serious man? If you are only considering tailpipe emissions, you aren’t being serious.

My 20 year old car is super environmentally friendly. You need to look at the entire product lifecycle.
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No it most definitely is not.

A 20-year-old diesel car emits carbon continuously during operation.

According to lifecycle assessment data from organizations like the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT), a new EV "breaks even" and becomes cleaner than an internal combustion engine car within 1 to 3 years of driving, depending on how green the local electricity grid is.

Your car's tailpipe emissions are incredibly high—roughly 150g to 200g of \(CO_{2}\) per kilometer. Over 100,000 kilometers, it will dump 15 to 20 metric tons of new \(CO_{2}\) directly into the atmosphere.

Building the battery for the EV is carbon-intensive, creating roughly 5 to 10 metric tons of initial \(CO_{2}\) upfront.

However, its driving emissions are zero at the tailpipe. Even when charged with average produced electricity, its power-grid emissions average only 30g to 50g of \(CO_{2}\) per kilometer.

The massive, ongoing accumulation of tailpipe \(CO_{2}\) and toxic soot heavily outweighs the one-time environmental cost of manufacturing a clean, modern electric vehicle.
 
TheMightyQuin said:
No it most definitely is not.

A 20-year-old diesel car emits carbon continuously during operation.

According to lifecycle assessment data from organizations like the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT), a new EV "breaks even" and becomes cleaner than an internal combustion engine car within 1 to 3 years of driving, depending on how green the local electricity grid is.

Your car's tailpipe emissions are incredibly high—roughly 150g to 200g of \(CO_{2}\) per kilometer. Over 100,000 kilometers, it will dump 15 to 20 metric tons of new \(CO_{2}\) directly into the atmosphere.

Building the battery for the EV is carbon-intensive, creating roughly 5 to 10 metric tons of initial \(CO_{2}\) upfront.

However, its driving emissions are zero at the tailpipe. Even when charged with average produced electricity, its power-grid emissions average only 30g to 50g of \(CO_{2}\) per kilometer.

The massive, ongoing accumulation of tailpipe \(CO_{2}\) and toxic soot heavily outweighs the one-time environmental cost of manufacturing a clean, modern electric vehicle.
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Fortunately for me, I live in the real world, and don’t buy into the climate hoax fake science.

I have also been boots on the ground at cobalt and lithium mines and seen with my own eyes the environmental impact of those.
 
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