The implicit racism that means that Arab parties are viewed differently to Jewish parties. That along with various rules that discriminate against Arabs (not least of which is the right of return that is afforded to Jews but not Palestinians).
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wingnut771
Honorary Master
Wouldnt busses start blowing up again if those "palestinians" are let back in?
If they were let back in there wouldn't be a need for an armed struggle so probably not.
wingnut771
Honorary Master
Fair enough, but where is the apartheid?
Which ones? I mean, is there an apartheid in South Africa due to the various rules that discriminate against whites?
It's a Jewish state set up to provide a safe haven for Jews. But regardless, we are talking about apartheid not immigration policies.
Good grief. Can anyone actually be so niave?
When the Palestinian leadership of now and previous years say they do not want Israel to exist and go about proving it with horrendous violence against civilliains, why would you not believe it?
Yep. This 2 state solution is quite a new thing, the intention has always been and still is to demolish Israel.
Covered before, if allowed Israel will cease to exist (which is the ultimate goal).
Discrimination based on race, through legislation or simly by how Jewish people view arab Israelis.
Many people have made that argument. Race based laws are a plague.
Cool, that is what it is, but then it's foundationally racist on what is sets out to do. Apartheid was about legalised discrimination based on race, which is exactly what having a Jewish state is all about.
It would cease to exist as a state which affords more rights to Jews who haven't been near Israel in centuries versus Palestinians that were forced out less than 100 years ago. Perhas that Israel will cease to exist, to replaced by that treats all everyone equally.
Vorastra
Honorary Master
It's funny, because rightoids will defend Israeli policies against their minorities while complaining about South Africa's policies against its minorities.
Conversely, leftoids will attack Israeli policies against their minorities while either defending or handwaving away South Africa's policies against its minorities.
The above is also applied to leftoids and rightoids regarding the US, UK, and so on.
wingnut771
Honorary Master
Yes, there are 2 types of arabs:
The ones who told their arab leaders to get ****ed and the ones who listened and beleived their leaders and left and would come back after they destoyed israel after winning the the war.
wingnut771
Honorary Master
arent there supreme court arab judges?
Nom Chompsky
High Tory
I don't see the comparison at all. I mean the big differences are that Arabs are (a) allowed to vote and (b) can setup their own parties (unlike apartheid). Simply not wanting to be in coalition with Arab parties does not equate to apartheid. It's the political reality. Lots of political parties across the world will never go into coalition with other parties. Like the Greens in the UK will never go into coalition with Reform UK, for example.
wingnut771
Honorary Master
More rights? Dont israeli arabs sport passports and can travel anywhere in the world and back?
thestaggy
Honorary Master
Do Arabs have a seperate chamber in Israel with executive power soley at the discretion of a Jewish-only assembly?
EDIT: To pick apart the post -
The Tricameral Parliament very specifically excluded Coloured and Indians from executive decision-making. Ultimate political power remained at the hands of the whites-only National Assembly. Blacks were completely excluded.
Why this comparison is disingenuous - There is Arab representation in the Knesset. Arab politicians can participate in the government and its decision-making. Indeed, in the past they have formed part of a coalition government. None of this was possible for black, Indian or Coloured representatives during apartheid.
Outright lie. The Arab Ra'am party formed part of the coalition government formed in 2021.
Ahmad Tibi, leader of the Arab Ta'al party, has been a member of the Knesset since 1999. He is pro-Palestinian and has been openly critical of Israeli policy. He was also the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset for 13-years. This would have been akin to a Mandela/Tambo/Luthuli figure being a member of the apartheid-era parliament while criticising it.
The logic in the X post is like saying the EFF is excluded from power because the ANC and the DA don't want to form a government with them.
As for the excluded Palestinian voters; are they Israeli citizens? The 2 million ''Palestinians'' that voted are Arab Israelis, in other words, Israeli citizens. Why would you allow non-citizens to vote?
I mean, this one is so simple. Black people were denied the right to vote. As is already abundantly clear, Arab Israelis can vote, obtain representation in the Knesset and form a part of the government.
Seriously. There are many things to criticise Israel over, but outright lying about things is not the way to go.
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Vorastra
Honorary Master
wingnut771
Honorary Master
Any arab judges?
And has Zuma's corruption trial begun yet?
Vorastra
Honorary Master
Let me know how far you want the goalposts to be moved, then we can finalise and I can compile what you need.