1 Terabyte Hard Drives Arriving

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1TB drives getting ready to hit the streets
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070105-8559.html

It seems the day of the 1-terabyte consumer hard drive has finally become a reality. Hitachi announced yesterday, just before the start of the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas, that it will be shipping a 1TB hard drive by the end of the first quarter in 2007. The drive will be the first of three that the company is expecting to release in 2007; the other two are aimed at video pros and the enterprise market. Those two will ship in the second quarter of the year.

The 3.5" Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 will run at 7200 rpm, have a 32MB buffer, and be available as SATA 3.0Gb/s or Parallel-ATA 133. The company did not max out on areal density on the drives though; instead of trying to cram 250GB onto four platters, Hitachi opted to go with a 200GB-per-platter, five-platter approach. Hitachi's director of market and product strategy Doug Pickford told PC World that "About 250GB per platter is the next bump on the areal density curve, but we've backed off from doing that in order to achieve higher reliability at this time."

Hitachi is vying to be the first to the market with a 1TB drive. If the drive does in fact ship in the first quarter of the year, Hitachi will likely beat out Seagate, which is also rushing to the plate with their own 1TB drive. Seagate's drive is expected to be out within the first half of the year and use only four platters, at 250GB per platter. Both make use of perpendicular recording technologies and will be demoed at CES next week.

A 1TB hard drive for $399 is likely to be an instant hit among early adopters and video pros. That price translates to about 40 cents per gigabyte, or 0.04 cents per megabyte. Compared to Seagate's 750GB Barracuda 7200.10 drive—which comes out to about 60 cents per gigabyte and 0.06 cents per megabyte ($349.99 from Amazon)—and the 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7K500—about 42 cents per gigabyte and 0.042 cents per megabyte ($209.95 from Amazon)—the DeskStar 7K1000 offers a slight value over the currently available competition.

Even people who don't think they need that much storage will probably need it eventually, says Pickford, due to the increasing size of television and movie files. But how exactly does one back up a 1TB drive? With another 1TB drive? A RAID of 1TB drives? That's sure to add up quickly, and some of the Ars staff is scared of the thought of backing up 1TB worth of data to tape. And this is just the beginning—Seagate's R&D labs are already working on 300 terabit (about 37.5 terabytes) drives to be launched within the next decade. Try to back that up to a tape drive.
 
Wow, that's almost enough space to fit Frank Zappa's discography in raw, uncompressed .WAV format! :)
 
wow, thats quite crazy, but still i could use of them hdd, i mean i currently have 203gig's completly full, and that means i need somthing big, and i gotta get red of my hdd's coz if there age,
 
Like the article says, where do you backup all that data? I'm afraid that not even the new BluRay/HDDVD disks will be big enough to make easy backups.
I think that the optical disk market is really in need of a format that can hold at least 250GB of data.
I wish that holographic disks were already out because I'm getting really irritated of needing endless amounts of disks to backup data.
 
*bzzzzt* .. sorry, that's the wrong answer

All well and good except, technically, they're not terabyte drives. You can thank the scaly drive manufacturers' (marketing departments) that still refuse to be honest about this. But, at least we no longer really have the likes of the 17" CRT (15" viewable) pack o'lies to deal with anymore!
 
All well and good except, technically, they're not terabyte drives. You can thank the scaly drive manufacturers' (marketing departments) that still refuse to be honest about this. But, at least we no longer really have the likes of the 17" CRT (15" viewable) pack o'lies to deal with anymore!

Technically they ARE terabyte drives. They're not, however, tebibyte drives.
Please explain how conforming to a worldwide standard makes the drive manufacturers "scaly". They are being 100% honest - you are getting 1,000,000,000,000 bytes of storage space on the drive.

The "deception" you're blaming the drive manufacturers of was caused by the computer world applying a decimal standard in a binary environment. "Ja, it's close enough" ... NOT.
 
Technically they ARE terabyte drives. They're not, however, tebibyte drives.
Sure, the binary versions of the decimal SI units exist. But do a quick poll: how many techie people you know are familiar with them, much less the general consumer?

Please explain how conforming to a worldwide standard makes the drive manufacturers "scaly". They are being 100% honest - you are getting 1,000,000,000,000 bytes of storage space on the drive.
Ah, you and I are going to sit in opposite camps on this one. :p But OK, sure: for a start computer capacity is counted in base2, and always will be. So sure; you may be getting 10^9 bytes, but that is not the same thing when counting in binary when it becomes 2^40, or 1 099 511 627 776. And that's just for a start, it gets worse when you lose more space after formatting the filesystem. Case in point: I've just put a "100gig" drive into my machine but all the machine shows (in Disk Management) is 93.16GB. So where'd my missing 6.84GB go? Oh, I know what's going on alright, but as a consumer I'm feeling ripped off and lied to ..and THAT is the problem.

The "deception" you're blaming the drive manufacturers of was caused by the computer world applying a decimal standard in a binary environment. "Ja, it's close enough" ... NOT.
Look, these are drive manufacturers: it's NOT like they should in any way be unfamiliar with the nature of computer systems. So, that they continue to hold to this hollow deception when it would be so easy to put a disclaimer along the lines of "250GB unformatted capacity, 232GB typical" is especially sneaky of them.
 
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lol... ya bdtis right in a way, but remember, they do want the size look more apealling, just like in the shops, they price everything with a 9 ie R4,99 or R499, they could say R500 but the number is less apealling, the same concept goes for the hdd's because if they said 232gb and not 250gb the 232gb makes you feel a little ripped off. just think which hdd would sell better to the general comsumer, the hdd that says 232gb when formatted or the hdd that says 250gb unformatted?
 
Careful now friend scotty, let's be very careful about bringing the grand obfuscation that is "ninetynitis" into it! :D ..but seeing as you've raised the point: when you consider that the ONE CENT difference between R10.00 and R9.99 is already a decimal fraction and so effectively meaningless to the price, how ludicrous does it become when being trumpeted by a price of R4999 for some "home theater" equipment?
 
no, bdt you messed my point, it's got nothing to do with the price, it relates to how as humans we think, if you saw soming that is for 4,99 you would go for it apposed to 5,00 for the same item, shops have done alot of studies on it, and the difference between 5000 and 4999 is 1, its the same as 5000000 and 4999999, so they not making a loss. and when somthing is 499 it looks cheaper when you browsing of things.
 
no, bdt you messed my point, it's got nothing to do with the price, it relates to how as humans we think, if you saw soming that is for 4,99 you would go for it apposed to 5,00 for the same item, shops have done alot of studies on it, and the difference between 5000 and 4999 is 1, its the same as 5000000 and 4999999, so they not making a loss. and when somthing is 499 it looks cheaper when you browsing of things.
Oh, I know why it's done and how it's meant to work, but are you saying you actually FALL for that line of marketing crap??!
 
/me bats for the reds (and NO - that doesn't mean "the other team".) bdt is bowling for the greens. :)


<snip stuff I'm fully aware of>
... Case in point: I've just put a "100gig" drive into my machine but all the machine shows (in Disk Management) is 93.16GB. So where'd my missing 6.84GB go? Oh, I know what's going on alright, but as a consumer I'm feeling ripped off and lied to ..and THAT is the problem.
GB != GiB.
Blame the software cretin(s) that decided to apply a decimal system to binary information. That's the root cause of this issue.

Look, these are drive manufacturers: it's NOT like they should in any way be unfamiliar with the nature of computer systems. So, that they continue to hold to this hollow deception when it would be so easy to put a disclaimer along the lines of "250GB unformatted capacity, 232GB typical" is especially sneaky of them.

"250GB unformatted capacity, 232GB typical" would, technically, be a lie. Some opportunistic prick in the US of A would probably sue them.

IMO, the drive manufacturers are in the clear - they deliver exactly what they sell (sometimes more.) The "software dudes" create the ... murkiness. But that's because we're using the wrong standard.



Oh, I know why it's done and how it's meant to work, but are you saying you actually FALL for that line of marketing crap??!
I heard a rumour that the R9.99 thing was introduced to force the tellers to open the cash drawer to give you your 1c change. Doing so forces them to put the cash in the drawer instead of their pocket because they have someone watching them (you). Apparently. Meaningless rambling perhaps.
 
GB != GiB.
Blame the software cretin(s) that decided to apply a decimal system to binary information. That's the root cause of this issue.
No argument as to the inequality ..and what do you think are the odds that the "software cretins" that caused this whole mess were 'marketroids'?

"250GB unformatted capacity, 232GB typical" would, technically, be a lie. Some opportunistic prick in the US of A would probably sue them.IMO, the drive manufacturers are in the clear - they deliver exactly what they sell (sometimes more.) The "software dudes" create the ... murkiness. But that's because we're using the wrong standard.
I don't see how it would be a lie: as you're at such pains to say :rolleyes: the manufacturers are delivering the capacities with which they deliver the disks. Recent experience reminds me that a '250GB' drive comes out as 232GB, so that's certainly true ..and that delightfully little word 'typical' gives huge wiggle-room.

I heard a rumour that the R9.99 thing was introduced to force the tellers to open the cash drawer to give you your 1c change. Doing so forces them to put the cash in the drawer instead of their pocket because they have someone watching them (you). Apparently. Meaningless rambling perhaps.
Oh, that there was likely a measure to require the till to be opened is almost certainly true and I have no argument with that aspect of it. It's the sheer inanity of a price like R4999 where that remain R1 is one five thousandth, or 0.02% difference ...and then certain Korean car manufacturers specify a price like R89 995, FFS; it's that stupidity that I despise.
 
bdt that's such a meaningless point. Not saying anything about you, but really come on. 96GB from 1000? big deal. As far as mathematics go it's correct, I see no reason to get upset about this at all.

We've never had a drive that matches it's size when formated, since forever. All these years this was known and didn't stop people from buying a hard drive. Now all of a sudden it's an issue :/ pah

I get 453GB of space on my Seagate 7200.10 drive, even though it's sold as a 500GB drive. If I really miss that odd 50GB I'll buy another 80. It really isn't a big deal complaining about what never existed. :(
 
while we are on the 250gn vs 232gb figure, the reason they dont do that is because due to the operating system used, as well as the filesystem type, your actual formatted space WILL vary.

so you cant call a drive 232gb formatted capacity, and some clever d1ck stick reiserFs on there and goes "eek, I only got 231gb"

What they do sell is a drive that can hold 250gb of information. If you decide to stick 18gb of formatting information+partition tables on there then it is your choice.

heheheh
 
oh my, where have you been lord shockg? anyway, ya, the fact of the matter is taht say a 250gig hdd does really hold 250gig's thats what its rated at,
 
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