12 Die in JHB

"'Brave guys' "The robbers that were dealt with today were causing havoc in the whole province and I am proud of the four policemen who paid with their lives to ensure that Gauteng will always be safe."

Unfortunate phrasing :/
 
sadly it is an indication of how badly trained cops are in SA
 
Would be nice if the '8 robbers dead' had a one before the eight.
 
ja, saw it on the 7pm news... tragic :mad:

it was also mentioned during the live interview with the SS minister on sabc 2 and 3.

and in related news....

Nqakula: Point a gun at police - and die25/06/2006 20:44 - (SA)

Johannesburg - Anyone who points a gun at a police officer will be killed, Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula said in an interview with the SABC on Sunday.

"There are some criminals in South Africa who are armed, and are prepared to kill people...Anyone who points a firearm at police will be killed by police officers," he said.

His message came after the deaths of four policemen and eight robbers in a shoot-out in Jeppestown, Johannesburg.

He admitted there was a lot of violent crime in South Africa which was "one of the things we want to bring down as quickly as possible".

He said the incident showed that police were trained to handle such situations and would do whatever is necessary to bring these violent criminals to book.

"I regret that there was such bloodletting regarding this incident," said Nqakula.

Robbery

The shoot-out took place at a house in Jeppestown where a large group of heavily armed robbers fled to after robbing a Honeydew Pick 'n Pay.

A shootout which ensued between police and robbers resulted in the twelve deaths as well as two police officers and "a number of the robbers" being injured.

One robber was arrested at the supermarket and 14 others handed themselves over to police at the house on the corner of Main and Hans streets, Gauteng provincial police commissioner Perumal Naidoo said.

'Whingers'

Nqakula has made headlines after recently saying in parliament that those who whinge about crime can either "carry on whinging or leave the country".

In an interview on the actuality programme Interface, he reiterated that his statements had been aimed at three white MP's who were "negative in every debate about crime".

He did apologise, however, he added that he did not say anything wrong.

"I apologise...not because I did anything wrong, but for the way it was interpreted and conveyed."

He said despite scepticism about crime statistics which were reportedly decreasing, government stands by those statistics.

"Despite the fact that they are going down, they are very high," he admitted.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1957827,00.html
 
kingmonty : It is odd that police were involved. Police all over the world are junk at these situations. It is not what they are really meant to do.

There is a special task force (cant remember the name offhand) that normally deals with hostage situations. The recces urban terror unit can also be used in situations like this.

Does anyone recall the name? The US counterpart is called SWAT

My appreciation to all police members involved, and my condolences to the families of the members killed
 
SAPS does have a Task Force similiar to the U.S. SWAT teams.

Doubt it that the SANDF Rec Commandos will be used in local law enforcement ops. This could always change depending on the situation.

Sad to hear about the KIA cops :mad:
 
maybe if they replace the normal money with their electronic conterparts, credit/debit cards, maybe the violent crimes of such sort will come down a bit, I mean the retards that go steal money with AK-47s are not educated enough to figure out how credit cards work, so problem solved ...
 
swordfish1 : That is a very interesting point. Even more interesting if you take into consideration the ability for easy micro payments via the new smart card credit cards. And if the bloody banks would actually cancel credit cards when you cancel them (At the moment they still work (for the thieves), and the banks just make the merchant pay because they "didn't check the signature")
 
Anyone know if this gang of criminals is reponsible for some of the other armed robberies or was this an isolated incedent? Would be nice to think we had taken down a gang responsible to many of the armed robberies that have been taking place lately
 
RompelStompel said:
SAPS does have a Task Force similiar to the U.S. SWAT teams.

Doubt it that the SANDF Rec Commandos will be used in local law enforcement ops. This could always change depending on the situation.

Sad to hear about the KIA cops :mad:
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What is the name of our task force?

Regarding SANDF involvement: This is always a tricky issue. The army is not trained to deal with civilian issues, it is trained to kill indiscrimantely. Getting armies involved in police issues often ends up with devastating effects.
 
Thanks, Jstrike

Sounds good, but faces the same issue all our government departments face: Head-hunting from the private sector. Personally, I don't know how the government can overcome this problem - they still have a limited budget, and even if there was not corruption, there still wouldn't be enough money.
 
Tassidar : It is a sticky problem that has no real solution. You have just got to hope that the people that stay behind do it out of a real sense of duty, and are thus exactly the kind of people we are looking for. Same goes for police, teachers, etc

We (or any other country) will never be able to pay as well as the private sector. All we can do is pay them enough to live comfortably, and hope they stay for they same reasons they started
 
We cannot afford to lose one policeman let alone four :mad:
And who will end up paying to house and feed the 14 crooks who so graciously handed themselves over to the police AFTER the bloodbath?

I find myself becoming more bloodthirsty by the day and in my opinion, these 14 should have been picked off as they left the house. Small retribution for those families left without parents, breadwinners, brothers and sisters.

CacklinToad
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Sherwood CPF Sector 3
 
Extremely poorly handled if four police offers lost their lives.
 
milano said:
Extremely poorly handled if four police offers lost their lives.
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They walked into an ambush ... the cops arrested one of the gangster and he led them to the house but neglected to mention that there were 20 of buddies waiting for them under the beds and in the ceiling.

These chaps had military training ... they did not stand a chance :(.
 
tibby.dude said:
These chaps had military training ... they did not stand a chance :(.
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That's according to our beloved Minister of Defense, who later stated that he was (yet again) misinterpreted, and that he meant that they had skillful training - he did not mean that they had military training (as this would off course reflect poorly on him - being Minister of Defense).

I must say that this guy is always making statements that he feels the need to try and clarify later on (to try and divulge blame away from him). Is he really the right person for the job when people's lives are at stake?
 
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