2001 BMW Z3 1.9... underpowered?

Oh man! Don't even start! ...are you a Swedish dentist or something because really: that is the only way you are getting away with a Volvo! ;)
Pfffft ;)

I'm interested in your preconcieved ideas ;)

So what is a typical BMW, Mercedes, Ford and VW driver?
 
why not go for the 2.5 Z4, seen these starting at R130k - R160k for a 2004 - 2005 models.
 
LOL - like you said, personal opinion :p

I can see an old person driving the old Honda Ballade - but not their newer generation of cars.

Oh come on dude! The Accord has got to be the most boring thing on the road today... every silverfoxes dream machine! ;) :D

Pfffft ;)

I'm interested in your preconcieved ideas ;)

So what is a typical BMW, Mercedes, Ford and VW driver?

BMW: Cock... utter. They should just ship with Ed Hardy shirts on the back seat for the douchebag who is about to take delivery. That, or an Indian... just a normal Indian guy from a good family who works hard and drives a Bimmer.
Merc: My mom.
Ford: Zeph.
VW: Student or (in the case of the GTI) young cock who can't yet afford a douchey Bimmer.

You left out Audi.. I'll add that one in for good measure:
Very good looking and intelligent young man with impeccable taste and an eye for stunning design. Usually very well endowed and popular with the ladies too. :D
 
I really hate to do this to you but I cannot imagine someone under the age of 60 in a Honda... any Honda. Maybe that's just my problem/snobbery/pointless bit of dogma but I just don't see Hondas as luxury items and I seriously doubt that the S2000 will ever have any credibility as a classic car, I think the Bimmer does stand a chance of that at least.

Hey, to each his own - I'm sure your S2000 gives you chills in the bends, smiles on the straights and a feeling of pride when you see it standing in the drive... just like any piece of beautiful engineering should :)
The S2000 was, is, and always will be a classic. Most powerful naturally aspirated 2lt motor ever made in a roadster that will leave almost anything including bm's, merc's and more luxury spec'd cars behind. It may lack in the comfort department, but it's what you'd expect from a roadster... and it's a "drivers car". And don't under-estimate Honda's to be a old person's car, go look at the Type-R range.;)
 
Oh come on dude! The Accord has got to be the most boring thing on the road today... every silverfoxes dream machine! ;) :D



BMW: Cock... utter. They should just ship with Ed Hardy shirts on the back seat for the douchebag who is about to take delivery. That, or an Indian... just a normal Indian guy from a good family who works hard and drives a Bimmer.
Merc: My mom.
Ford: Zeph.
VW: Student or (in the case of the GTI) young cock who can't yet afford a douchey Bimmer.

You left out Audi.. I'll add that one in for good measure:
Very good looking and intelligent young man with impeccable taste and an eye for stunning design. Usually very well endowed and popular with the ladies too. :D

Truth, except for Audi. That's ****er territory too nowadays.

Would like to throw in a spanner too for OP if he/she is open to considering non-convertibles (convertibles = yuck, too much show for no go, except S2000!!! :D). Saab 9-3 Aero. Fast as F*** and it's a SAAB, which means you're about the only person within 200 km who has one :p
 
Probably one of the largest Honda disappointments :/

How so? Haven't seen any other NA vehicles performing as well out of the box?


The S2000 was, is, and always will be a classic. Most powerful naturally aspirated 2lt motor ever made in a roadster that will leave almost anything including bm's, merc's and more luxury spec'd cars behind. It may lack in the comfort department, but it's what you'd expect from a roadster... and it's a "drivers car". And don't under-estimate Honda's to be a old person's car, go look at the Type-R range.;)

what do you mean comfort? It has everything I want... music, airconditioning, powerstearing, electric windows, worlds fastest electric roof.



Oh come on dude! The Accord has got to be the most boring thing on the road today... every silverfoxes dream machine! ;) :D

ROFL - I actually like the Accord :) Way better than, say, a Corolla (same price range I think).
 
UnUnOctium;4614627 convertibles = yuck[/QUOTE said:
Shame... the only thing "yuck" about convertibles in SA is the fact that you live in of the the few countries in the world with the best conceivable weather a Homo Sapien could wish for and you're not taking advantage of that, yet, your preconceptions still blind you... I'd say you're trying to convince yourself here. Luckily enjoying the art of driving and owning a decent vehicle are completely subjective and not up to people like you. It's still a shame though, since I can't help but sometimes pity the person who sits in front of me cooped up in their expensive isolated sedan while I'm experiencing complete and utter bliss in a cheaper mechanical masterpiece that doesn't try and isolate me from whatever is out there. At the end of the day the only thing that counts is what you want from a car, and not what you can get from a car. Image, looks etc. are all things that other people will always try to use to convince you that THEIR choice is the best, ultimately it all comes down to what YOU like about a car, most other people will probably feel different. My choice was pretty much made the day I climbed into an MX-5 6 years ago. So by far the only car I would consider after that is a Honda S2000 because of the way it takes the sports-car concept, improves on it and throws it back in the face of the "non-believers" (uugh...what a beautiful piece of kit that is, if only I had the cash).

I'm not trying to start some kind of flame war here. All I'm trying to say is that people's preconceptions are like a cancer, more often than not convincing the average consumer that a specific need does not exist, when in fact it does. The main reason I love my MX-5 is not because it's fast, or cool, or some lame **** like that. But because I absolutely love what it has to offer while knowing I don't need to earn a momentus amount of cash per year to enjoy the experience. Seriously, owning a sports car should not be based on class and stereotypes but on things like age, driving experience, practicality etc. In fact, I've always felt the Z3 was a super sexy car, the only reason I might feel different now is because the of the Z4 release, but in all honesty, when I see a Z3 driver on the road I still think they know something I don't.

One other thing. I never felt like the "exclusive" factor would ever play a roll. But somehow ever since I've owned my car it's almost as if it's "cool" not to drive something you see on the roads each day. It sounds lame, but going 3 weeks before seeing someone drive the same car you have is somehow fulfilling (haha...welcome to the world of consumerism :p)
 
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xrapid ... I don't mean the S2000 is a disappointment ; I mean the Type R.

RunX RSI would be extremly close - if not ahead - for a stock 1.8 litre
 
Are you kidding?

As I say, the 1.8 RSI (N/A) runs wih it ... Isn't it disappointment enough that a Toyota runs with the performance Honda? ;)
 
So a Runx runs with the Type R and a PGTi runs away from a RunX RSI but you don't believe a PGTi runs away from a Type R?
 
So a Runx runs with the Type R and a PGTi runs away from a RunX RSI but you don't believe a PGTi runs away from a Type R?

It won't.... its slower, however, it is faster than a stock RSI. (PGTi is 8.2s 0 - 100)

BTW. We're talking stock cars here

Also - if you want to compare up in Jhb. - then lets slap a turbo on the Type R and see who wins.
 
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Tell you what - I'll prove you wrong when I'm home ;)
 
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I'm sure a Type R will beat me at the coast but up here they USELESS! Keep your stats for Dolby I've beaten every single TypeR I raced. Same with the S2000s.
 
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