2009 Formula One: FIA Hearing on Diffuser Issue

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killadoob

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Yea but cat ask yourself why ferrari and mclaren have dominated? Better design? So whats ferrari's and mclaren's problem now that other teams have been designs? was not a problem when they had the better design.

Yes sox, who's fault is it that ferrari and mclaren have dropped the ball? they have more than enough moola compared to other teams, mosley wanted cheaper f1 for the other teams to able to play catch up, when a sport is dominated by money your bigger budget teams will dominate. Not sure why toyota have never done anything because they have. money.
 
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Reckon the big boys were still busy working on the old cars last season, a title race was on the cards - the other teams were able to stop working on the old cars a little earlier. Agree though, that in terms of the other teams having better designs, the big boys should not complain. Its part of the game. In all honesty i think they will catch up pretty soon.

As to why the bigger teams win, simply more money and experience to through behind their cars. Toyota is the exception to the rule in terms of money, but not necessarily experience.
 
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Toyota been around awhile now, about time their financial clout made some in roads.
 
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Seems the FIA is crooking again

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Renault's legal representative Andrew Ford said that the French team had designed a similar part last season which was declared illegal.

"It is not that Renault missed the boat, as Brawn have pointed out, it is because the FIA said it was illegal," Ford said. "It was at that point the diffuser was abandoned."
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Marko says Red Bull was angered by the decision to approve the three double-decker diffusers because it had already submitted a similar design for approval and had it rejected.

"What angers us is the fact that we had approached [Charlie] Whiting for a clarification on a diffuser solution like the one in question and we were told it was illegal, therefore we did not pursue it any further though our design team had similar ideas," said Marko.

"I wonder what impact this will have on cornering speeds. I assume there will be problems soon when cars are going too fast, and the airflow the double diffuser creates for sure will make overtaking more difficult again. Thus it is against the spirit of the rules agreed in the working groups."
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To me it sounds like their design where flawed and the others got the design right. Stop moaning i say and develop like the others to those exact specs, brawn is no idiot and would have designed something he knew would not pass as legal.
 
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Nope, they asked Charlie Whiting, the designs were the same. It was failed based on the fact that you can see the car through the holes - just like the others. You can be sure the three teams using the diffuser did not 'officially collaborate' on these things, but the information found it's way around one way or another.

The problem here is the overtaking working committee was established and one key element was to reduce downforce to encourage real racing and of course reduce turbulence and encourage overtaking. This diffuser effectively works around the regulations intending to reduce downforce using a legal loophole. The diffusers have been confirmed to create more downforce and turbulence... in other words, less overtaking. Square one, except the money is going to another couple of teams.

The only reason they decided to rule them legal is because they would look like idiots if they changed the outcome of the first two races. It's the FIA saving face. What's the bet they rule them illegal for next year 'in the spirit of racing' and 'to promote overtaking'.

The FIA are chops, end of story. I can see how this can excite a casual follower, but to someone who loves racing, this is why F1 will always be labeled Bernie's circus. It's more show than racing. The rules have many grey areas for a reason... the FIA wants to be able to steer the results in their interpretation of 'the interest of racing'.

Why else does Max get to hand pick the stewards?
 
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Our (Ferrari, McLaren and Renault) drivers are, or have been, world champions, and then you have a (Brawn) driver who was almost retired, and another who is a 'paracarro', fighting for the championship," Briatore was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport newspaper. "I don't know how we can say we have credibility."

What a retard, the only reason they championship drivers is because they have had championship winning cars. Fking idiot. Now they don't have a championship winning car and they are up in arms. How do they think their drivers have won championships? I can asure you, hamilton, kimi, massa, raiki would not have won or been close to winning a championship driving a bar at the back of the field, maybe they now know what button has felt like for many years.
 
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FIA admits to bending the rules

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20042009/13/fia-backs-parr-s-illegal-ferrari-claims.html

Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali, backed by Renault's Flavio Briatore, hit out at Parr after comments attributed to him suggested Ferrari had used illegal cars in the past.

But on Monday, the FIA said Ferrari did indeed admit to committing "a technical violation" of the technical regulations in the past during the Court of Appeal hearing last Tuesday.

"Ferrari acknowledged that multiple vertical transitions had been used by many teams in the past, including Ferrari itself, and argued that all such prior uses (including its own) had constituted a technical violation of the (technical regulations) which had been tolerated," the Court of Appeal finding said.
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Funny how they call it a "technical" violation - as if to indicate that it wasn't illegal or was OK... lol

The FIA deliberately make the rules vague to allow themselves to affect the outcome 'in the interest of racing'
 
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Kiladoob - I am interested in your sig - who are you comparing the US to? Are you saying that Americans are evil, or just the US government? Or are you comparing them to the SA Government or are you comparing US citizens to SA citizens.... just curious
 
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I am saying they are evil, it is just a sig showing the US are not angels sent to save the world. :)

technical violation committed by ferrari, illegal violation committed by brawn :) Funny stuff
 
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I am saying they are evil, it is just a sig showing the US are not angels sent to save the world. :)

technical violation committed by ferrari, illegal violation committed by brawn :) Funny stuff
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If it ain't F1, discuss it elsewhere. Agree with your opinion killa regarding "technical violation".
 
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Well mbp pointed it out hehe, i do not recall discussing anything just answered a question which i am sure is fine :).

I think alot of teams are showing their true character this season in regards to have inferior designs.
 
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