JStrike said:
I'm not convinced it will be smaller due to remote location. How many Africans, South Americans and Asians went to Germany despite it being far away? Plus a trip to SA would be cheap for a European. Time will tell...
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I'm not convinced it will be smaller due to remote location. How many Africans, South Americans and Asians went to Germany despite it being far away? Plus a trip to SA would be cheap for a European. Time will tell...
DigitalSoldier
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icyrus there are a lot of europeans and americans complaining that the plane tickets in south africa are too expensive compared to their countries
Highflyer_GP
Honorary Master
I can just imagine the traffic 
killadoob
Honorary Master
JSTRIKE YOUR TELLING ME THOSE CABS IN JUST CAPE TOWN ARE GOING TO BE ENOUGH WHEN MILLIONS ARRIVE soz bout the caps
think about how cheap it is to travel here
there will be a flood of ppl from all over
think about how cheap it is to travel here
there will be a flood of ppl from all over
killadoob : No, of course not. But what I am trying to get at is that the private sector will probably be the major player when it comes to transportation. What goverment needs to do is help where it can and fill in the missing link that the private sector cannot fullfil easily (medium distance transportation i.e rail)
kilps
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I have also seen them around a lot, although from what I have heard they arn't that cheap.JStrike said:
I can just imagine cape town with an underground system, althought what are the chances - or practicalities
kilps : They are pretty cheap. About R7/km. Same price as NY more or less
Gets a tad expensive if you go more than 10km though. That is where rail should come in. For the 10km-50km trips.
Nice thing though is that you can fit 3-4 people in the car and the price remains the same, so you can split the cost
Gets a tad expensive if you go more than 10km though. That is where rail should come in. For the 10km-50km trips.
Nice thing though is that you can fit 3-4 people in the car and the price remains the same, so you can split the cost
New York taxi rates:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/passenger/taxicab_rate.shtml
London taxi rates:
http://www.london-taxi.co.uk/taxi/londontariff.htm
http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/html/passenger/taxicab_rate.shtml
London taxi rates:
http://www.london-taxi.co.uk/taxi/londontariff.htm
I lived in Salt Lake City during the 2002 Winter Olymics. They spent a huge amount of money on infrastructure (which needed to be updated badly) and now they have some great roads and light rail in that city. Not seeing it here(CT) though.
The traffic was great during the two weeks. Everyone decided that it would be bad and they stayed home. All those new highways they built were practically empty during the games.
Lots of people lost lots of money. Everyone tried to rent their homes out to tourists to make some extra money. But the supply of houses far outstripped the demand and lots of familys lost out on income during that time.
Most restuarants were empty. Only the ones near the events were busy during event times. Most people just eat at the hotel that they stay at or the venue they are attending.
There was actually a small riot in downtown SLC during the games. This was due in part to "Bud World" being held in a plaza next to the olympic headquaters and some rowdy people being pissed on cheap beer.
The state lost tons of money. They had to raise taxes and other revenue generating incomes for years afterwards to keep themselves from going bankrupt.
Half the hotel rooms were empty because people didn't show up.
It was essentially a 6 year headache for the local residents for two weeks of sking and ice-skating. Something they do every year anyways.
IMHO - these games are never really worth it, despite all the nice articles about how they are. The local people never benefit from them like they are promised they will. Rich get richer I suppose.
The traffic was great during the two weeks. Everyone decided that it would be bad and they stayed home. All those new highways they built were practically empty during the games.
Lots of people lost lots of money. Everyone tried to rent their homes out to tourists to make some extra money. But the supply of houses far outstripped the demand and lots of familys lost out on income during that time.
Most restuarants were empty. Only the ones near the events were busy during event times. Most people just eat at the hotel that they stay at or the venue they are attending.
There was actually a small riot in downtown SLC during the games. This was due in part to "Bud World" being held in a plaza next to the olympic headquaters and some rowdy people being pissed on cheap beer.
The state lost tons of money. They had to raise taxes and other revenue generating incomes for years afterwards to keep themselves from going bankrupt.
Half the hotel rooms were empty because people didn't show up.
It was essentially a 6 year headache for the local residents for two weeks of sking and ice-skating. Something they do every year anyways.
IMHO - these games are never really worth it, despite all the nice articles about how they are. The local people never benefit from them like they are promised they will. Rich get richer I suppose.
excellent point. The bulk of the Tourists travelling costs will actually be in South Africa - and will tally to almost more than his/her flight to South AfricaDigitalSoldier said:
Example (Assumptions: Follow my team to 4 stadiums (including Opening Ceremony) - assuming they only make it to the second round (top 16), working on July dates as this gives a more accurate breakdown of travel over a month with short notice bookings) matches are maximum 7 days apart, :. working on 5 day difference between trips, fares are for one adult traveler):
Flight to South Africa:
British Airways, Flight BA0057 Heathrow to JHB, £372 (Departing 4 July - £757.30 Return) Incl all taxes, charges & surcharges (£128.30) [equates to: R4981], Opening Ceremony
Flight From Joburg to Cape Town (Kulula 6 July): R469, CPT Match 1
Flight from CPT to DBN (Kulula 11 July): R799, DBN Match 2
Flight from DBN to JHB (Kulula 16 July: R599) -> connecting to 17 July Airlink Flight to Nelspruit: R402, NELSPRUIT Match 3
Nelspruit to JHB Airlink R403 connecting -> Bloemfontein 1Time R491, Bloemfontein Match 4
Bloemfontein -> Joburg 27 July 1Time R469
From the above we can see that the airfares alone between 4 potential cities for four matches and the opening ceremony comes to (using budget Airlines I might add - and they will not be able to handle the volumes): R3632 (~ £271)
This excludes all airport transfers, shuttle services, porter costs, flight time meals and airport lounge meals/beverages. The traveller hasn't spent a night in a hotel nor a penny on food, and car rental has not been included.
To rent a Group B (Corolla 1.3, Polo 1.4, etc) car for the entire duration will cost R277.00 Per Day or ~ R6,371.00 for the trip.
So, even though the strong pound/euro/dollar may make it a little more affordable to visit South Africa, the continuous travel is what makes it extremely expensive to touring travellers.
I have also not taken into account:
Hotel/Guest Lodge/etc costs will rise dramatically in time for the world cup
Restaurant costs will rise dramatically in time for the world cup
Airfares will rise dramatically for the world cup (due to availibility, etc), so this will definitely not be the most affordable world cup ever visited by the tourists. By the way, Travel Insurance is *expensive* to visitors of South Africa. Also, I have not taken into account the cost of crime, the medical costs associated with 2 hours subjected to a vuvuzela, the ticket costs to get into the stadium or the food and beverage costs at the stadium.
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
JStrike: The problem with charging NYC rates is that New Yorkers have much more money (in Rand terms) than Cape Townian's so the rates should actually be cheaper!
Although I see what you getting at - most of the tourists (i.e. Europeans) will be using the taxis and the locals their cars. Worringly though, restaurants and hotels have a tendecy to overcharge - just like the movie industry which has effectively died.
Although I see what you getting at - most of the tourists (i.e. Europeans) will be using the taxis and the locals their cars. Worringly though, restaurants and hotels have a tendecy to overcharge - just like the movie industry which has effectively died.
killadoob
Honorary Master
but the point is we dont have enough of the those buses and they are only in cape town
I think the show put on by Germany has been superb.
It is now people realise the sheer magnitude of being a host. Can we create fan zones, secure areas for fans etc..most European fans are used to ambling from the stadium into city centre pubs. When you leave Ellis Park you get out a.s.a.p and head for the suburbs.
As for travel as it stands it is going to be a logistical nightmare to get around. The Gautrain is pointless. Are they going to lay on hundreds of coaches ? Have Multi-Drop points etc?
Germany is blessed with safety, CBD stadiums and CBD pubs/restaurants, a brilliant train, bus and road network. We have less than 36 months to upgrade to even 20% of what Germany has.
Games will end at 10 pm so I am sure fans will look forward to a getting lost
in Joburg when driving their rental cars home in the dark. And our street lights and street names are shocking. Getting lost will be easy. It will be a criminals paradise. Interestingly if it happens, it will be staged in our winter. Perhaps most Europeans will prefer to head to Spain etc to enjoy their summer holiday and watch it on TV than spend a lot of money heading this way to enjoy overnight temps of zero?
I just think WC2010 will be too much.
It is now people realise the sheer magnitude of being a host. Can we create fan zones, secure areas for fans etc..most European fans are used to ambling from the stadium into city centre pubs. When you leave Ellis Park you get out a.s.a.p and head for the suburbs.
As for travel as it stands it is going to be a logistical nightmare to get around. The Gautrain is pointless. Are they going to lay on hundreds of coaches ? Have Multi-Drop points etc?
Germany is blessed with safety, CBD stadiums and CBD pubs/restaurants, a brilliant train, bus and road network. We have less than 36 months to upgrade to even 20% of what Germany has.
Games will end at 10 pm so I am sure fans will look forward to a getting lost
in Joburg when driving their rental cars home in the dark. And our street lights and street names are shocking. Getting lost will be easy. It will be a criminals paradise. Interestingly if it happens, it will be staged in our winter. Perhaps most Europeans will prefer to head to Spain etc to enjoy their summer holiday and watch it on TV than spend a lot of money heading this way to enjoy overnight temps of zero?
I just think WC2010 will be too much.
DigitalSoldier
Honorary Master
Atleast criminals will have a good time and they will make Azania proud 