2015 Israeli Elections thread

[Hamish McPanji]

Can you name a politician anywhere in the world that hasn't told a porky now and then?
Anyhow if he did lie and wants a two state solution, shouldn't you rather be pleased?

Pleased that an incessant liar has let off another one? Sorry, not as gullible as others

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Aren't you an Obama supporter? Or a Bush supporter? Then why all of a sudden the problem with lies?

All politicians lie. But the one who can spout 2 diametrically opposed yarns in the same week is something special...I have to agree. Would trust him to pay me back R50 I lent him at the supermarket queue? Highly unlikely. I reckon both Bush and Obama would be good for it though

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Can you name a politician anywhere in the world that hasn't told a porky now and then?

Would exactly describe it as "a porky", its not like his wife asked him if she was fat. And its not a "now and then", its a character trait

"I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar," Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE7A720120111108?irpc=932

 

[lived666]

Pleased that an incessant liar has let off another one? Sorry, not as gullible as others

Yeh, he did a bit of a flip flop on this.

 

[Techne]

All politicians lie. But the one who can spout 2 diametrically opposed yarns in the same week is something special...I have to agree. Would trust him to pay me back R50 I lent him at the supermarket queue? Highly unlikely. I reckon both Bush and Obama would be good for it though

True. It would be a funny if a politician said that... liar's paradox and all.

They'll probably give back the money. They are human still and in this situation it has nothing to do with power (power corrupting and all that).

 

[Fudzy]

http://ewn.co.za/2015/03/19/Hard-right-shift-delivers-upset-election-win-for-Netanyahu

 

[LazyLion]

OBAMA CALLS NETANYAHU, STRESSES US GOAL OF TWO-STATE SOLUTION

US President Barack Obama called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to congratulate him on his electoral victory and underlined US support for a two-state solution in the Middle East amid controversial remarks by the Israeli premier, the White House says.

"The president emphasized the importance the United States places on our close military, intelligence, and security cooperation with Israel, which reflects the deep and abiding partnership between both countries," the White House says amid deteriorating relations between the leaders.

They agreed to "continue consultations," including on resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, spokesman Josh Earnest says.

Obama also told Netanyahu, who has objected to talks with Iran over its nuclear programme, that the US is focused on reaching a deal that keeps Tehran from building a nuclear weapon and verifying that its nuclear programme is used only for peaceful purposes.


Source : Sapa-dpa /ks
Date : 19 Mar 2015 23:21

 

[marine1]

Stresses or threatens him? I see Obama has said he will re evaluate US support for israel. He doesn't seem to get it that he works for the people and congress will block him as well as the fact that he is gone soon. Thankfully the damage will be undone once he leaves.

 

[Fudzy]

Stresses or threatens him? I see Obama has said he will re evaluate US support for israel. He doesn't seem to get it that he works for the people and congress will block him as well as the fact that he is gone soon. Thankfully the damage will be undone once he leaves.

So you really do support the settlements then?

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Stresses or threatens him? I see Obama has said he will re evaluate US support for israel. He doesn't seem to get it that he works for the people and congress will block him as well as the fact that he is gone soon. Thankfully the damage will be undone once he leaves.

Obama totally hates israel, he even said so when his mike was turned on by accident

What do you want, his middle name is hussein, and he wasnt born in america even...

This joke president will go soon, but before he does, whats he gonna do when he not afraid of reelection

 

[marine1]

So you really do support the settlements then?

Not even going to bother

 

[marine1]

Obama totally hates israel, he even said so when his mike was turned on by accident

What do you want, his middle name is hussein, and he wasnt born in america even...

This joke president will go soon, but before he does, whats he gonna do when he not afraid of reelection

I am more than ever convinced.
He is the biggest fraud ever the world has known.
But like I keep saying and evidence is there, the public know and have voiced their opinions.
He can install all his cronies in key departments but the next leader will undo all his fcups

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

I am more than ever convinced.
He is the biggest fraud ever the world has known.
But like I keep saying and evidence is there, the public know and have voiced their opinions.
He can install all his cronies in key departments but the next leader will undo all his fcups

He is the manchurian candidate, sneaked past everyone to get into the oval office,

that how he got elected ill never understand,
Everybody going to great lengths to hide this little fact hes not american and never served in the armed forces.

Only nixon was worse or so ive heard,

 

[marine1]

He is the manchurian candidate, sneaked past everyone to get into the oval office,

that how he got elected ill never understand,
Everybody going to great lengths to hide this little fact hes not american and never served in the armed forces.

Only nixon was worse or so ive heard,

Could not agree more but look at the news articles and peoples comments as well as looking at Americans commenting all over the internet.
The people have had enough.
I am willing to bet the Repubs come in and win by a massive margin.
I knew Netanyahu would win, I knew Obama would be a disaster, I said it here before he got elected.
How in god's name a man with the name Hussein got elected???
Really??? How retarded were the Americans?
Anyway I was right.
Lets see what happens come the next general election there

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Could not agree more but look at the news articles and peoples comments as well as looking at Americans commenting all over the internet.
The people have had enough.
I am willing to bet the Repubs come in and win by a massive margin.
I knew Netanyahu would win, I knew Obama would be a disaster, I said it here before he got elected.
How in god's name a man with the name Hussein got elected???
Really??? How retarded were the Americans?
Anyway I was right.
Lets see what happens come the next general election there

Your forgetting something,

Unless the elections were rigged, in some super secret way, and there is a lot if money behind it, the next democrat will be in office soon, also your forgetting mccain who i thought whould be president for sure,

Becuse he looks old and tired, and most importantly
Dosent look good on tv

Israel is like that movie starship troopers,
Not 100% but close enough,
You can only vote once you done military service,
And israelis not stupid, not by a long shot,
They know whatever happens bibi will look out for them, anybody else is a waste of time,

Look at all the previous PM's all except golda meir, and look what nearly happened there, israel was nearly wiped out completly.......
Becuse of one old cow and her having meetings with her generals in the kitchen......

 

[snoopdoggydog]

Israel chooses the path to apartheid

It was once possible to argue that Israel's policies were not the same as apartheid because their stated goal, however imperfectly pursued, was to end the occupation. After Netanyahu's reelection, this is no longer the case.

In my quarter century as Washington correspondent for Jewish newspapers, I frequently defended Israel against charges that it had created an apartheid system in the West Bank. But this week's election, with Benjamin Netanyahu poised to serve another term with an even more hardline coalition, means that apartheid is the path Israeli voters have chosen. The inevitable results will include even greater international isolation for the Jewish state, a boost to efforts to apply boycotts and sanctions, diminished support from American Jews and endlessly intensifying cycles of violence.

Since the Madrid peace process began in 1991, it was possible – though sometimes with great difficulty – to argue that Israel wanted to find some route to accommodation with the Palestinians. Sure, there were huge obstacles to overcome, not the least of which was a shortsighted Palestinian leadership and a volatile, nervous electorate in Israel.

But government after government at least said the right things about the need to create a Palestinian state and to make painful compromises, even if action lagged far behind the words.

It was possible to accept journalist Gershom Gorenberg's thesis that the occupation was an "accidental empire," its endurance shaped less by determined policies than by inertia and political cowardice. It was awful to watch even progressive governments cringe before an aggressive settlers movement, but it was understandable, especially for Americans accustomed to the timidity of our own leaders in the face of aggressive extremists.

The idea of apartheid suggests the intent to make separation and unequal treatment permanent, and in the past it was possible to argue that for all the expansion of settlements, Israel was still looking for ways to end the occupation.

No more.

Frightened by the last minute rise of the Zionist Union list in polls, Netanyahu unambiguously expressed what critics have long asserted was his core ideology: no Palestinian state. No territorial concessions. None. Period.

And Israel's voters returned him to office, in what was widely reported as a resounding victory.

He was returned to power despite his attempt to shore up support on his political right by coming to Washington and undermining the relationship with Israel's most critical ally, the United States, and by giving a huge boost to Republican efforts to make support for Israel a political wedge issue instead of the bipartisan cause it has always been.

He was returned to power despite the ugly attempt to scare voters with the specter of a big turnout of Israeli Arabs.

And he was returned to power after his crystal clear rejection of Palestinian statehood and the territorial compromise that most of the world believes is the only way to ensure a peaceful future for a democratic Jewish state. There were reports this week that Netanyahu was attempting to walk those comments back, but his credibility on the issue of Palestinian statehood, never strong, is nonexistent.

In the absence of any willingness to work toward a Palestinian state in the West Bank, the future is clear: continuing occupation with no effort to find a way to end it, accelerating settlement construction and a hardening of policies toward Palestinians in the West Bank.

In other words, apartheid.

Mainstream Jewish groups go ballistic when they hear the term because of what it implies: an official policy of unfairness so profound that a fractious world unites against it with sanctions, boycotts and a pariah label for the perpetrators.

Once, it was possible to argue that Israel's policies were not the same as apartheid because their stated goal, however imperfectly pursued, was to end the occupation. No more: Bibi's reelection makes it clear that Israeli voters, more clearly aware of Netanyahu's intent than ever, have chosen the apartheid path, and will now have to live with the consequences.

American Jewish groups, key players in the coalition against South African apartheid, will resort to verbal gymnastics to argue that it's not the same. Or they will simply use the convenient ploy of pointing out all the bad decisions made by Palestinian leaders over the years. When the inevitable violence erupts and when the Palestinians, left with no other options, renew their push to condemn Israel in international bodies, they will circle the wagons to defend a Jewish state they claim is unfairly treated by a hostile world. They will ratchet up efforts to stifle even moderate dissent in the Jewish world. They'll blame the deepening divisions in the Jewish community on J Street.

Or they will say the no-statehood pledge was just politics as usual in Israel's fractious democracy, as meaningless as most other campaign promises.

And nobody outside an increasingly narrow pro-Israel tent will buy it. Because apartheid is apartheid, and that's exactly what Israeli voters chose this week as a course for their nation.

James Besser was Washington correspondent for the New York Jewish Week and other Anglo-Jewish newspapers for 24 years before his retirement in 2011

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.648006

 

[marine1]

Israel is as much an Apartheid state as I am a Muslim, maybe the delusional people who think this should go there instead of writing from the sidelines
Israelis voted for hardlines due to the constant attacks from within, from the Arabs living there.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Israel is as much an Apartheid state as I am a Muslim, maybe the delusional people who think this should go there instead of writing from the sidelines
Israelis voted for hardlines due to the constant attacks from within, from the Arabs living there.

What do you expect, from a state of constant war.

Last time a soft leader was elected, israel was nearly wiped out, (golda meir)

Last time jews said lets not fight with those that opress and kill us, the holucaust happened

We tried in once, suffered and now learnt our lesson, so "NEVER AGAIN".

 

[marine1]

What do you expect, from a state of constant war.

Last time a soft leader was elected, israel was nearly wiped out, (golda meir)

Last time jews said lets not fight with those that opress and kill us, the holucaust happened

We tried in once, suffered and now learnt our lesson, so "NEVER AGAIN".

Completely agree. They are not dealing with peace loving people, they are dealing with terrorists that celebrate death over life.
Simple, if Arabs lay down their weapons there will be peace, if Israel lay down their weapons there will be no Israel.
But the armchair experts and liberals love the underdog.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Completely agree. They are not dealing with peace loving people, they are dealing with terrorists that celebrate death over life.
Simple, if Arabs lay down their weapons there will be peace, if Israel lay down their weapons there will be no Israel.
But the armchair experts and liberals love the underdog.

Exactly, and constantly comparing the situation there, with what was the case here,

Very diffrent situation, with very diffrent nature of people,
Over the most contested and fought over tiny sliver of land in the entire world.
That is home to 3 major religions on earth.

I sometimes think that land will stay in a constant state of war,until something bigger comes along like a virus/earthquake/tsunami, or alien invasion

Until then, its gonna be constantly fought over,
And argued relentlessly, and in circles, until the cows come home.

Fact is facts, israel is at war, and has no time to elect a "obama" to talk trash while israel burns to the ground,
Israel needs support and strong leaders who deliver results, as that is what matters in battle, not talking with people who cant be resoned with, and whose objectives are to quite simply kill every jew, no matter were they hide
Last time it happened, and we talked with our opressors, the holocaust happened, since then never again.........