2017 VW Tiguan (2nd Generation)

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(slightly off-topic but this is the most Tiguan-related thread that is current on myBB)


I have a question about the largest / widest tyres that can be fitted to a 2016 (previous shape) Tiguan before they begin to rub against the body and cause other problems ?

[I am cogniscent about differing tyre outside diameters and their effect on speedo error, trip computers etc]
the OD of different size tyres can be calculated and compared using one of the following 3 tyre-size calculators:
https://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator/
http://www.tyresizecalculator.com/
https://www.errolstyres.co.za/odcalculator



The exact model is the 1.4 petrol 90kW Trend/Fun 4x2 manual 6-spd and it came with Bridgestone Dueler H/T's a very unusual tyre size 215/65R16 (also used on a limited number of Nissan X-Trails).

I am looking for something more off-road like Dueler A/T, Good-Year Wrangler, Pirelli Scorpion or even BF Goodrich, but these are not available in the original tire size.



Scroll down to the photos on this thread showing the Pirelli Scorpion ATR 225/70R16's that were successfully fitted to a Tiguan in Australia:
http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/for...ridgestone-d693-tyres-36018-2.html#post717909



This site https://www.wheel-size.com/size/volkswagen/tiguan/2016/
goes even further and shows that 16", 17", 18", 19" and 20" tyres were fitted as standard to 2016 Tiguans
in widths of 215mm, 235mm and 255mm,
and profile percentages of 65, 60, 55, 50, 45 and 40%



Wheel General Info
The ranges of possible values for tires and rims for a Volkswagen Tiguan 2016
Tires for Volkswagen Tiguan 2016

Diameters: 16.0'' - 20.0''
Width (mm): 215 - 255
Tire aspect ratio (%): 40 - 65
Smallest tire size: 215/65R16
Largest tire size: 255/40R20
Rims for Volkswagen Tiguan 2016

Bolt pattern 5x112
Diameter: 16.0'' - 20.0'';
Width (inches): 6.5 - 9;
Offset (mm): 30 - 43.



any remarks / suggestions from the forum ?

 

[The_Traveller]

IMO you can fit any width tyre you want as long as you keep to the same spec in sidewall and size.

If you changing wheel size then you need to choose the appropriate sidewall as well.

If standard tyre is 215/65/16 and you want to fit a 17" wheel, then you need to drop to a 60 sidewall profile. Etc. etc.

 

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IMO you can fit any width tyre you want as long as you keep to the same spec in sidewall and size.

If you changing wheel size then you need to choose the appropriate sidewall as well.

If standard tyre is 215/65/16 and you want to fit a 17" wheel, then you need to drop to a 60 sidewall profile. Etc. etc.

i'm afraid that's not going to work - the profile (65 in the tyre size above) is a Percentage of the width of the tyre - i.e. in the example above, the sidewall is 139 mm high (65% of the 215 mm width of that specific tyre)

should the width of the tyres increase to 255mm keeping a 65 profile, the sidewall height increases to 165 mm and the tyre oudside diameter (and consequently the circumference) increases dramatically, with corresponding speedo error and other repurcussions on modern computer-controlled cars.

If you want to fit 17" wheels and tyres then it is not enough to just move the profile one notch down from 65 to 60.

The OD (outside diameter of a 215/65R16 tyre is 686mm to move up to 17" and keep the same OD, one would have to go to 155/82R17 (a non-standard size OD=686mm) or 195/65R17 (OD=685mm)

 

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[video=youtube;mS4DbiDYv60]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS4DbiDYv60[/video]

I just love John Cadogan's astringent / abrasive approach to the car industry (which he knows for over 30 years) - his channel is really worth subscribing to.

His absolute love for South Africa stretches far and wide though - NOT - he even mocked the SA car factories saying they were fenced in to keep the lions from eating the workers, or something to that effect...

 

[FiestaST]

 

[Joker]

^ that seems like a really bad deal to me? New is 550k, are there really 120k worth of extras on it?

 

[FiestaST]

The 2018 Volkswagen Tiguan Is Sterile But Has A Third Row Because You Aren't

The all-new 2018 Volkswagen Tiguan is an attractive, spacious crossover, compact in name only, with a wide range of options and, thankfully, at least one fun color choice. That’s pretty much where the car’s personality ends, but I still found a lot to like about this thing.

It’s here to address a lot of the criticisms of the last Tiguan—particularly that it was too small. Now there’s three rows of seats, so if you absolutely loved your last Tiguan and have added a few kids in the years since, VW is here for you.

http://jalopnik.com/the-2018-volkswagen-tiguan-is-sterile-but-has-a-third-r-1796287451

 

[FiestaST]

 

[Foxhound5366]

The Tiguan used to be reasonably priced. This new one is just a joke. VW's options list just keeps getting longer, when they should leave that to Audi. Volkswagen literally means "car for the people", but VW has lost their soul in their push upmarket.

 

[The_Traveller]

The Tiguan used to be reasonably priced. This new one is just a joke. VW's options list just keeps getting longer, when they should leave that to Audi. Volkswagen literally means "car for the people", but VW has lost their soul in their push upmarket.

Please list the prices of the other brands in the same class...

 

[HapticSimian]

The Tiguan used to be reasonably priced. This new one is just a joke. VW's options list just keeps getting longer, when they should leave that to Audi. Volkswagen literally means "car for the people", but VW has lost their soul in their push upmarket.

That's not true, really. I've recently returned to working at a VW dealer, and standard spec has improved across the board as ranges have been replaced or had their face-lifts compared to what I recall from a couple of years ago. Go back a bit and Trendline Golfs would have hubcaps and manual windows, for example. That's no longer the case - a Trendline Golf even has body coloured wing mirrors.

Car prices have just gone mental in general.

Of course there's a certain irony in the VW nameplate, as you say. At least the up! almost fits the bill still, and when current Polo becomes Vivo it should offer a compelling more affordable option. General silliness of car prices aside.

 

[Foxhound5366]

The Vivo now costs what the Polo used to cost, so when the current Polo becomes the Vivo there won't be much saving there. The entire Polo range meanwhile will shift above R200 000, with some entering the R300 000 range; pushing the Golf into the R400s and the GTI above R500K. Sounds plausible enough, right? Definitely no longer Volkswagen then.

 

[Foxhound5366]

Please list the prices of the other brands in the same class...

Nobody is arguing that all car prices have increased dramatically, but that doesn't take away Volkswagen's responsibility to buck that trend (if they want to stay true to their name). Or they could just call themselves Audi Lite, and maybe it'd be better.

 

[FiestaST]

Who else calls a Tiguan a "Tig". There must be others

 

[HapticSimian]

The Vivo now costs what the Polo used to cost, so when the current Polo becomes the Vivo there won't be much saving there. The entire Polo range meanwhile will shift above R200 000, with some entering the R300 000 range; pushing the Golf into the R400s and the GTI above R500K. Sounds plausible enough, right? Definitely no longer Volkswagen then.

Inflation's a bastard.

Polo is already wholly above R200k, but the new one's unlikely to be priced too differently from where it's positioned now because it'll be priced straight out the market otherwise. Same with Vivo; it has to be priced against its competition like the Etios, Figo and such. It's probably going to be barely recognisable after it gets stripped down from its current Polo guise in the interest of cost saving, but pricing should remain near current Vivo levels. GTI has been over R500k for quite some time...

Our economy's circling the drain, and there are deeply rooted systemic issues with the entire value chain in the South African car industry. But that's not something you can blame any one brand for; they're all playing on the same field. Is paying R400k+ for a Tiguan - an objectively well engineered, safe and competent SUV - any worse than paying R100k for a flippen Chery QQ3?

 

[HapticSimian]

Nobody is arguing that all car prices have increased dramatically, but that doesn't take away Volkswagen's responsibility to buck that trend (if they want to stay true to their name). Or they could just call themselves Audi Lite, and maybe it'd be better.

Volkswagen's responsibility? Responsibility to who? They offer an article at a given price that you are more than welcome to not purchase. Companies change. BMW even starting making some things other than airplane engines a while ago.

 

[stiller26]

The Tiguan used to be reasonably priced. This new one is just a joke. VW's options list just keeps getting longer, when they should leave that to Audi. Volkswagen literally means "car for the people", but VW has lost their soul in their push upmarket.

Agree fully with you.
Fortunately for some of us we can get them at a reasonably good price.
Father still working @VW(since 1984), and getting reasonable price when buying their cars(VW/Audi), guess I'm stuck with them for years to come.
We considering buying a BMW though.

 

[Rouxenator]

Drove the R-Line today.
Verdict : Get the R-Line!

Now as most of you will know I am not a VAG fanboi but my best friend loves them (VW, Audi, Porsche, even DKW) and he has access to quite a few of them. They collect cars. Long story short we had to fetch his sister-in-law's R-Line from the airport since she caught an early flight to Mauritius. To be honest my actual call to him was if he could take me from Plankenburg in Stellenbosch back to my office near Technopark as I am finishing work on my 407 coupe and today it is fitting 35% tint smash&grab film - which does look insanely good on my black beauty but more on that later. Then end result was a journey to CPT airport an a few other stops. That's friends for you. But wait, I got to drive something different this time...

The Tiguan R-Line is incredibly fast, even in D mode it is fast - S mode is mind bendingly snappy - and remember this is a conventional autobox we are talking about here - not a dodgy DSG. The first time you come to a complete stop and the engine shuts off you get a chill down your spine thinking WTF. However you are soon set at ease as the LCD display tells you Auto-stop is activated. This whole system - and we are talking about turning off an engine and starting it again, setting the wheels in motion - happens sooner than my old Astra H auto will automatically shift to Neutral while in Drive and the vehicle is completely stopped.

Personally for me if I think about it more deeply and I think back to what you may have read in reports from people working at VW, especially personal experience from those implicated in the whole dieselgate thing you will encounter a few saying there is a special pressure at VW. A drive to make the best cars possible, and as an outsider I can feel that - you do pick up on that sort of thing in a vehicle that behaves like this.

Looking up and where the letterbox sunroof of my 407 coupe used to be is a majestic panoramic sunroof. In front a mileage of only 22,000km but the car feels like I just drove it off the VW showroom floor. More than once did I mash the long pedal and it was sooo good, but I had to keep things toned down because technically I was assigned the task of
1) for once in my life drive a real car and
2) bring the Tiguan home while he fetched a Landy from our local mechanic.
So yeah, following a heavily modified game drive Defender 110 in mild traffic is not very exciting, but there always point 1 which does come with certain expectations.

Would I but the Tiguan R-Line? No. Would I buy a Tiguan? No. The way the world sees you, or the lack thereof, is what keeps this car off my list. Also my lack of funds. But thankfully I have good friends who are not only very talented when it comes to working on cars but they also have the ability to buy such wonderful cars as this one, and way better. Every now and then I am given the chance to try such cars and I am reminded that when you sit in the drivers seat, you are in charge, very few mass produced cars can so utterly satisfy your driving nature as an R-Line VW. This Tiguan was not the first and it will no doubt be the last, I do respect it as a marvel of engineering and that smile it puts on my face when I am in control. But I would rather not be seen driving it - that's just me.

A proper car indeed.

 

[Quantum Theory]

Hoping to trade the Passat for the 2.0 TSI next year. One correction Roux. It is DSG...

 

[Rouxenator]

I thought it was too good to be true that you can have an 8 speed autobox that shifts so fast. Thanks for clarifying that. In S-mode it was really uncanny how fast it shifted.

Still does not take away anything from the R-Line Tiguan test drive. For a family with two small kids it is a perfect car and when you buy a car on those reasons you really could not be bothered with how other people on the road see you. But yeah, a 407 coupe offers ISO fix with top tether on both rear seats. Just saying...

I totally get why this car was chosen, the reason it is R-Line is because daddy had an A3 cabriolet which he had to let go and mommy had a Golf 6, and she makes the rules. Driving this car I can't think of a better compromise. I never drove that A3 though...

Let's hope they never get mecha-tronic issues in the future - both for their cars and in bed

Edit : QT, what are your picks in terms of replacing the Passat?