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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Remember most other African countries don't even have ADSL for heavens sake!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Well South Africa has the Equipment, the exchanges, the SAT3 cables, satellite uplinks, networked infrastructures, developed economy by African standards. So what actually is your point here?
That we should be grateful for the telephone pole on the street corner?
Well buddy, let me explain this to you. We deserve that telephone pole as this country sweated blood for many decades to achieve these ends. To get to this position started many decades ago when telecommunication was regarded as a public service and the state made its job to deliver services like electricity and water. To meet these ends the public has had to pay high taxes so that the state could implement these services. Once they were in place, the service was then repaid for by user accounts. These accounts and I'm referring to telephone accounts in particular were and still are exceptionally high. But now the difference is the state will not roll out any more new telephone infrastructure as Telkom is now listed. But seeing that there is not any more actual capacity building will Telkom now reduce its tariffs. Hell no they won't. Why, because they cannot as they now answer to shareholders. So what was before a state function is now controlled by money hungry businessman? Future development will be retarded. And what was our public asset is now in control of some pooopals who couldn't give stuff about MyADSL or ADSL or ICASA or whoever goes up against them.
And if you throw your telephone out the window and tell Telkom to shove it as you are getting a Cell Phone. They have that covered too. They own 50% of Vodacom and 33% of MTN and whatever they don't own they resell to them anyway. So whichever way you turn you are screwed for every Rand they can get out of you.
So don't think, because Telkom gave PSA R8.5mil or pretend to be involved in the countries development. It’s all a smoke screen that is worked into their advertising budget of self promotion and preservation.

So perhaps I have ranted on. But Mr Rooney, don't fall for Telkom's bull****. They have only one interest in life and that is to make as much money out of the SA Public as possible.
So be that may. In return, I want service and a product that I can use that is not crippled because of unproven dribble that Telkom spits out every now and then.
If they can’t do it because they are restrained by the board of directors they should look at the future and that board of directors should rethink their stance as none of this will help SA's development or be a future they would want for their own children. And while they are thinking that they can just as well admit repayment of the debt to the SA Public as it was the SA Public that put Telkom on the map in the first place. And they should never ever forget that. As it’s the same SA Public that could one day flush them down the toilet.
The way I reckon, with new technology advancing so fast that within the next decade Telkom will be taking a back seat to newer better faster technology and the SA Public will be so peeved off with them they will drop Telkom like a ton of bricks and wouldn't think twice about it.


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LIES, ALL LIES...

If Telkom truly cared about their clients and wanted to protect them from misuse, the answer would not have been the Cap but simply a sliding scale contention ratio, thereby lowering your priority for bandwidth as your downloading increases, which does not KILL your connection but simply gives those who utilised their connection less, more priority for using the service, which would be fair as they also pay the same sickening prices. So, mister 'rape my connection' would find his service acceptable, and the less frequent users have priority when needed.

Telkom would probably never do this because they would then be allienating their other services such as Diginet and ISDN. Heaven forbid they ACTUALLY deliver a quality, affordable internet service.

Telkom, where Innovation is a swearword...

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Hello we're not a first world country here! It's funny how people don't complain about the transport system yet it's way below 1st world standards. It's the same as ADSL. We can't really compete with likes of USA or Britain because they have better communications. And obviously ADSL, will cost more because just like a PS2 that costs R2000 in SA, it costs 125 pounds in Britain. Now just shut-up you damn moaners!
 

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Guys, you misunderstand me - I am not defending Telkom, I think they are a money-loving corporation that rip off their consumers, BUT, at least we have an option, unlike a couple years ago. Once Telkom becomes "not a monopoly" we should see reduced prices from other ISP's, who rent out infrastructure from Telkom.

The UK was in the same boat as us in the late 90's, and OFCOM and the government decided to do something about it, and look where they are now. Until that happens in SA, and ICASA gets some balls, we are going to be stuck with a sub-standard ADSL service. Thats the crux of it. But having said that, this forum is certainly achieving lots, and I commend all the people who post here.
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Guys, you misunderstand me - I am not defending Telkom, I think they are a money-loving corporation that rip off their consumers, BUT, at least we have an option, unlike a couple years ago. Once Telkom becomes "not a monopoly" we should see reduced prices from other ISP's, who rent out infrastructure from Telkom.

The UK was in the same boat as us in the late 90's, and OFCOM and the government decided to do something about it, and look where they are now. Until that happens in SA, and ICASA gets some balls, we are going to be stuck with a sub-standard ADSL service. Thats the crux of it. But having said that, this forum is certainly achieving lots, and I commend all the people who post here.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

We do understand you. Your points are relative and you seem to be informed. I think people are using MyADSL to vent their frustrations. It is good therapy. Support groups in modern society are becoming the norm and in the case of the Telkom Issue it is needed as Telkom themselves are not concerned about our complaints. So we come back here day after day to check for any hope on the horizon.

However in retrospect this sort of comment isn't constructive.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Now just shut-up you damn moaners!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I don’t wish to criticise any forum poster on MyADSL as everyone has their way of expressing themselves and all comments are valid, however the numerous posts I have read from this writer lend me believe it to be a youngster.


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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
<font size="2"><font color="blue">.... It's funny how people don't complain about the transport system ....
Now just shut-up you damn moaners!</font id="blue"></font id="size2"><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Hi Dom, just to remind you, this is myadsl not mytrailertruck.

Sure, telling people to "shut-up" is third world talk.

Perhaps you can reason why so few agree with you [:D]
 

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<i>Originally Posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
Hello we're not a first world country here! It's funny how people don't complain about the transport system yet it's way below 1st world standards. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Typical Telkom mentality, blame some other sector to justify their actions.

Dominic, If you're not going to make sense, rather be quiet (notice I didn't tell you to shut up). Our transport system is predominantly road based (90%), due to South-Africa's typography and the lack of investment in rail infrastructure. There are however proposals to privatise the rail industry and our harbours are being upgraded as we speak, with Billions being invested in new equipment and a duty free zone to create outsourcing opportunities. Our inland waterways are unfortunately too shallow for barge cargo, which is the most efficient transport medium.

You can't compare our infrastructure with that of the USA or GB because each country is unique in this respect (see above). The USA make extensive use of barges while GB has the EU, which make inter country shipping a breeze. Our transport system is not way below 1st world standard as you state, we are simply at a disadvantage due to our location. What makes a country's transport sector successful is how obstacles are overcome and strengths utilised. At least SOMETHING is being done about it.

I will state, that if the telecommunications industry were half as proactive as the transport industry, MyADSL would be obsolete.

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<i>Originally Posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
It's the same as ADSL. We can't really compete with likes of USA or Britain because they have better communications. And obviously ADSL, will cost more because just like a PS2 that costs R2000 in SA, it costs 125 pounds in Britain. Now just shut-up you damn moaners!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

You make no sense. You state the reason we can't compete as: 'they have better communications'. I think you should enrol at a varsity so they can teach you a few principles such as 'globalisation' and 'free market systems'. Just look at a country such as Dubai, in a similar situation to South-Africa, who's primary income in the 1970's was oil trade(90%), with donkey carting being the primary Transportation medium. In short, they were as 3rd world as they come.

By applying proactive principles such as deregulating most sectors withing their economy, eliminating trade restrictions and focusing on advancing and promoting themselves, they have grown to become a major trading hub, with one of the fastest growing economies worldwide, and a sought after business location. Oil trade currently makes up only 10% of their income. I promise you that you're PS2 comparison would fail miserably compared to Dubai, who are STILL rated a 3rd world country BTW.

Country ratings are no excuse for extortion and bad service, especially knowing the capacity and capability is available.

Also, their communications infrastructure rivals that of any nation, because they saw the value this would add and made an effort to upgrade it, making communications a service and not a money making scheme. *cough* Telkom *cough* *cough*. Currently, it takes only 24hrs to set up a new company within Dubai, how many other countries can state this ability?

We're not moaning Dominic, we're trying to make a difference, because we know what the benefit would be.

PS: The global comparison index is that of the Big Mac, not PS2.

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I will second quik's comments.

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Why is it the Big Mac? Is it because Big Macs are cheaper in SA than 1st world countries or that you want to back up your statement that lots more things are cheaper in SA? I wasn't really telling to shut-up but just be glad that we have ADSL & stop complaining. The comment about that we can't compare rail infrastructure is rubbish. In London they have buses and a better underground services than us because mostly they're on time + they don't have cracked/holes in bus windows.
 

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- the public transport in London is very expensive (even when compared to NY or Paris) , while the BB is cheap.
- ZA doesn't <i>REALLY</i> have ADSL.
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In London they have buses and a better underground services than us because mostly they're on time + they don't have cracked/holes in bus windows.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Have you been to England? Their buses's are great, yes, they also cost arround 4 times as much as ours! And dont even compare the cost of Taxies here to theirs cause you'll fall off your chair.

On the other hand their roads are no where near the standard of ours, nor most of their civil engineering.

Just be honest, you're not old enough to understand this entirely - I hate to say that as lame as it is, but neither am I.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
<i>Originally Posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
Why is it the Big Mac? Is it because Big Macs are cheaper in SA than 1st world countries or that you want to back up your statement that lots more things are cheaper in SA?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

No, the Big Mac index is a Global Economical Indicator, used by all nations, it's not something I made up.

I will spell it out for you.

Because McDonalds are now situated in most countries around the globe, and because it would be too difficult to compare all currencies simultaneously, economists needed a commodity that has the same value to the user, and the same makeup and content no matter where you buy it. You can buy a Big Mac anywhere in the world and it will be the same, thus it complies with all the requirements of Economists for valuing the REAL strength of a currency, compared to other nations. are you getting this?, is it sinking in?, economics 101. PS2's on the other hand are far less of a global phenomenon and therefore not an accurate indicator.

Let me know if you require further explanation, better yet, go do a search on google.

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<i>Originally Posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
I wasn't really telling to shut-up but just be glad that we have ADSL & stop complaining.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

For someone not really saying to shut up you really said it. I won't be 'just glad to have ADSL' and no one is going to stop complaining until conditions improve. People will just become more contempt.

Are you really OK with being extorted, paying 500-600% markup (probably more) on a product which is actually supposed to be a service, which is taken for granted by the rest of the world. You OBVIOUSLY don't rely on internet to sustain you're business, or use it as a critical component, where cost and access become a huge factor.

Note that I'm not even beginning on performance.

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<i>Originally Posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
The comment about that we can't compare rail infrastructure is rubbish. In London they have buses and a better underground services than us because mostly they're on time + they don't have cracked/holes in bus windows.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

<font color="blue">/start gloat</font id="blue">
It's not rubbish, I've studied Logistics-, Supply chain- and Transport management so I know what I'm talking about.
<font color="blue">/end gloat</font id="blue"> [:p]

What have you done, except spew out random gibberish.

You're compairing public and commercial transport (Two different offerings) in one breath. Public transport impact is far less than commercial, you base your theory on a cracked window and an underground rail system. Fair enough, you've just described about 15% of the industry, since most public transport is a SERVICE and not for-gain offerings.

We can't compare our rail infrastructure with theirs, because as I stated earlier, SA is Road Transport intensive while GB uses a more equal combination.

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I will just try to spell out what my point was to start the forum, because many of you have only narrow mind-set & don't want to change it.

Reason 1: To see fortunate we are to hav ADSL in our country
Reason 2: To see how many 'spoilt brats' there are that just want the best of everything but can't get it.
Reason 3: Quik says it's not find for business ADSL yet that is what I said at the begginning of the post.
Reason 4: To see why people objected to the 3GB cap for HOME USE
Reason 5: To see if I would win the debate what I did![:D]
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
<i>Originally Posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
Reason 3: Quik says it's not find for business ADSL yet that is what I said at the begginning of the post.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

What? What language do you speak, this makes no sence. What are you saying?

And no, you did not start the Forum, only the topic, I believe RPM started the forum.[:p]

In any debate, you cannot decide you won anything, that is up to the readers and other participants to decide.

You argue ADSL capped to 3GB is fine for home use, but there's no difference between ADSL home and business, except the price. Therefore, it's the same product, just priced differently for various sectors.

What is the point then in you saying it's fine for 'home' use. Do you have statistics on percentage home and business users? It's supposed to be a broadband high speed always available service. That is what ADSL was designed to do. 512k is even prohibitive because ADSL can go much faster, up to 6Mb for some types I believe.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
Reason 2: To see how many 'spoilt brats' there are that just want the best of everything but can't get it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Hi Dominic,

To test your theory - go and suggest to the President that a Cessna 210 would be adequate for his travel / transport needs.

I think he would respond to you in precisely the same way as here !
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Reason 1: To see fortunate we are to hav ADSL in our country<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Yes we would be very fortunate to have ADSL, but our ADSL is not broadband. Why do we pay so much for something so limited to a company that is raking in the proffits? Dont think of Telkom as some strugeling little SA company.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Reason 2: To see how many 'spoilt brats' there are that just want the best of everything but can't get it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
'spoilt brat' by your deffenition is people that cant afford decent internet access but have a defenit inclanation towards technology and thereby their intelectual growth is strangled by Telkom. Then there are the 'spoilt brat's that just want to get their money's worth, and that simply cant happen.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Reason 3: Quik says it's not find for business ADSL yet that is what I said at the begginning of the post.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Congradulations.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Reason 4: To see why people objected to the 3GB cap for HOME USE<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Who the hell wouldnt object to it? A home user by defenition would be more likely to access multi-media - IE the Video and audio mp3's that you call "sad"

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Reason 5: To see if I would win the debate what I did!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I think all you're winning is alot of enemies.

Since you were yapping your gob about home users; I placed some counters on my home router.

Code:
20011     134035   26906949 count ip from any to any in via tun0
20012     148802   65977900 count ip from any to any out via tun0
21001      68761   33000341 count tcp from any 21 to any via tun0
21002          0          0 count tcp from any 22 to any via tun0
21003          0          0 count tcp from any 25 to any via tun0
21004       4328    3462772 count tcp from any 80 to any via tun0
21005          0          0 count tcp from any 110 to any via tun0
21006        671     894743 count tcp from any 143 to any via tun0
21007      35500    1558571 count tcp from any 4662 to any via tun0
21008       6901     586206 count tcp from any 5001 to any via tun0
21009          0          0 count tcp from any 6667 to any via tun0
21010          0          0 count tcp from any 7777 to any via tun0
21011      10724    1275329 count tcp from any 57005 to any via tun0
21012        213      10228 count tcp from any to any dst-port 130-139 via tun0
21013        339      17757 count ip from any to 207.46.0.0/16 out via tun0
21014        394      45753 count ip from 207.46.0.0/16 to any in via tun0
22001       3463     291941 count udp from any to any via tun0
22002        367      14978 count icmp from any to any via tun0
22003          0          0 count igmp from any to any via tun0
22004          0          0 count pim from any to any via tun0

Incase thats too much for you thats 26,906,949Bytes of traffic in and 65,977,900Bytes out along with a bit of a break down of where it went.

In telkom terms that would have been 93MB off of my cap in a night, or 2.8Gb in total for a month with that trend.

Now, given thats a 56K line, the people using it here would be able to do ~9 times as much surfing in the same ammount of time if i had ADSL. This would mean I'd probably need more like 25Gb per month.

Thats home use.

So please tell me Rooney, why oh why should a 56K modem be a feasible option for me when Telkom are capable of providing services equivelent to overseas while the only reason they dont is because they dont have to due to their monopoly? And why do I have to pay R300/m to be connected at 56K for 12h a day?

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It's very apparent that DOMINIC ROONEY has posted uninformed opinions that have achieved nothing more than to irritate those who know better. Based on his responses, it's also clear that he prefers to remain uninformed - 'those who don't know, and don't know that they don't know, he is a fool, ignore him' - <i>Old Chinese Proverb</i> - don't feed the trolls...
 

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I will reiterate my comments from page 2 of this thread.

<b>However in retrospect this sort of comment isn't constructive.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Now just shut-up you damn moaners!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">


I don’t wish to criticise any forum poster on MyADSL as everyone has their way of expressing themselves and all comments are valid, however the numerous posts I have read from this writer lend me believe it to be a youngster.</b>

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Some more questions that can be answered :

Furthermore, I would like to remind you all that we are living in Africa.

And for which we should be thankfull.

Courtesy of Take IT easy.

Burning questions for the week

BY RODNEY WEIDEMANN AND TRACY BURROWS

Considering that criminals recently robbed a KFC employee of not only cash, but also her T-shirt, does this mean that thieves in this country have now reached the point of taking the shirts off our backs?

How ironic is it that the England cricket team – which does not wish to tour Zimbabwe on moral grounds – is being forced to by the ICC, and yet in the 1980s, teams that WANTED to tour SA were prevented from doing so, due to the ICC's moral code?

Does anyone else see the irony in a wireless researcher (University of KZN) being sponsored by a fixed-line operator (Telkom)?

If the US succeeds in its bid to host the 2007 Cricket World Cup, will we see perky cheerleaders and chilli dogs edging their way into cricketing traditions?

If SA can afford to donate R100 million to UN aid agencies, can we assume that the food, housing, health and education needs of all South Africans have now been met? Or doesn't charity begin at home anymore?

Should we be at all surprised when legislation intended to make medicine cheaper ends up making it more expensive? It seems the transition to the new pricing system has certain flaws, making medicines up to three times as costly. Not to worry, say the officials, the price will drop sharply in August. If the chronically ill can afford to live that long.

Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe and his Namibian counterpart Sam Nujoma will launch a regional newspaper called the New Sunday Times in July to "counter the threat from the global media to African values". So are they now looking to replace one kind of propaganda with another?

Sticking with Mugabe. He recently closed down 46 private schools because they were “racist” and has pushed up school fees “to keep black students out”. Considering that the majority of these students are in fact black, does that mean black people with money are no longer considered black, or that people with money are actually a different race to everyone else?


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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Does anyone else see the irony in a wireless researcher (University of KZN) being sponsored by a fixed-line operator (Telkom)?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Were you also at the LEAD talk last night? =)

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