making_hay
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I can't, but please go to Spar with R99 in 5c pieces and try to pay for something. Come back and tell me who wins. No need to sound so whiny.
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I can't, but please go to Spar with R99 in 5c pieces and try to pay for something. Come back and tell me who wins. No need to sound so whiny.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
There, there. The adults are talking now. If your argument gets shot down don't get so upset, it is a debate, after all.
As far as legislation is concerned, and in this your opinion of whether you or best friend's girlfriend's father's mate manages the Spar in Stanger or not is irrelevant, they have to accept any legal tender. Whether they do or not is another story completely.
Don't make absolutes in your posts if you have no reasonable facts to back up your position. If, however, it is merely your opinion (and yes we are all entitled to one on this forum, even if it disagrees with what you have stated) then you should make that know.
DreamKing
Honorary Master
if no legislation, that means the owner has the right to accept or not.
I checked in SA, it is no such legislation like other countries have.
The conclusion is you cannot PUSH the owner to accept the coins, on the other hand the owner has the right to refuse it. Simple.
DreamKing
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semiautomatix
Honorary Master
if no legislation, that means the owner has the right to accept or not.
I checked in SA, it is no such legislation like other countries have.
The conclusion is you cannot PUSH the owner to accept the coins, on the other hand the owner has the right to refuse it. Simple.
So you see, by law they're obliged to accept any legal tender.
DreamKing
Honorary Master
hey
did you read? And read my posts before?
I did not find one does not mean it is not existing!
I said already many other countries have the similar law, read that SA law, it is as similar as what I said before, my friend.
For what you said is TOTALLY WRONG! No one is complusory to accept "the bag of 5c coins".
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
hey
did you read? And read my posts before?
I did not find one does not mean it is not existing!
I said already many other countries have the similar law, read that SA law, it is as similar as what I said before, my friend.
For what you said is TOTALLY WRONG! No one is complusory to accept "the bag of 5c coins".
The onus is on you, my friend, to prove your statement, not on me to prove it wrong. Sorry.
Most shops still have "Right of Admission Reserved" above their doors though don't they? Or am I lagging behind? If that's the case they can eject someone with a bag of 5 cent pieces
DreamKing
Honorary Master
Sorry, I don't think I have any ONUS.
The law is clearly stated that I can refuse you to give me a bag of 5c coins instead to give me a banknote, I really don't understand what are you talking about.
May be you can't read!
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Most shops still have "Right of Admission Reserved" above their doors though don't they? Or am I lagging behind? If that's the case they can eject someone with a bag of 5 cent pieces
not when an offer to purchase has been made and accepted. You would have civil recourse in such an instance.
The shop would be guilty of introducing new terms on the sale and could be held liable for performance by a court of law.
The law is on the buyer's side... but good luck finding a court or policeman to help you.
The point is... they are legally obliged to accept it and to refuse is a violation of the concept of legal tender and the breaking of a contract of sale... but who is going to take the time and effort and money to force them to comply?
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Sorry, I don't think I have any ONUS.
The law is clearly stated that I can refuse you to give me a bag of 5c coins instead to give me a banknote, I really don't understand what are you talking about.
May be you can't read!
But now you did? Really, you can't be in both situations at the same time. So, as such, I was referring to that comment, which apparently you wrote?
So once again, the onus is on you, my friend, to prove your statement, not on me to prove it wrong. Or maybe you have trouble reading your own statements?
Hey dude, I just thought I'd jump in with another angle, that angle failed big style. What you say does make a lot of sense really. Hey I know what it's like from both sides of the shop counter. Having to scrape my last pennies (which includes a search of the couch) to go buy the "God that is Nicotene", pitching up at the counter and the sales person raising their eyebrows to actually working behind a counter and some kid who's raided his piggy bank to buy the latest copy of the <Insert new kiddie phase> sticker book and having to think about whether I'm going to let them do so or not...
I think it comes down to reason really, I mean you can't really turn up at a restaurant where you know the bill is going to be R200 and expect them to allow you to pay it in 5 cent pieces, but by the same token you can't turn a kid down for his sticker book if he pays the R5 in 1 cent pieces...
It's a judgement call, with a lot of factors to consider like how busy the shop is at the time etc...
DreamKing
Honorary Master
you are so crook.
it is you opinion from the beginning........
it is my opinion from the beginning .........
if I cannot find the legislation and my assumption of "legislation not exist" it does not prove I am wrong in the discussion. I made a mistake for my assumption "legislation not exist" it is because you said "Oh right, could you point us to that particular piece of legislation?" What I said is "if no legislation, that means the owner has the right to accept or not.", which to prove if no legislation I have my right to refuse.
Now you read the legislation and proved that you are WRONG and you are crook the ORIGINAL what you said and I have ONUS! My friend, it is not good.
I am not impressed. :erm:
EDIT: "I did not find one does not mean it is not existing!" it is the correction for my mistake. It is not a "both-sides" statement.
it is you opinion from the beginning........
it is my opinion from the beginning .........
if I cannot find the legislation and my assumption of "legislation not exist" it does not prove I am wrong in the discussion. I made a mistake for my assumption "legislation not exist" it is because you said "Oh right, could you point us to that particular piece of legislation?" What I said is "if no legislation, that means the owner has the right to accept or not.", which to prove if no legislation I have my right to refuse.
Now you read the legislation and proved that you are WRONG and you are crook the ORIGINAL what you said and I have ONUS! My friend, it is not good.
I am not impressed. :erm:EDIT: "I did not find one does not mean it is not existing!" it is the correction for my mistake. It is not a "both-sides" statement.
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semiautomatix
Honorary Master
you are so crook.
it is you opinion from the beginning........
it is my opinion from the beginning .........
if I cannot find the legislation and my assumption of "legislation not exist" it does not prove I am wrong in the discussion. I made a mistake for my assumption "legislation not exist" it is because you said "Oh right, could you point us to that particular piece of legislation?" What I said is "if no legislation, that means the owner has the right to accept or not.", which to prove if no legislation I have my right to refuse.
Now you read the legislation and proved that you are WRONG and you are crook the ORIGINAL what you said and I have ONUS! My friend, it is not good.
EDIT: "I did not find one does not mean it is not existing!" it is the correction for my mistake. It is not a "both-sides" statement.
The onus is on you, my friend, to prove your statement, not on me to prove it wrong. Sorry.
DreamKing
Honorary Master
anyone may help me?
he keeps posting "The onus is on you, my friend, to prove your statement, not on me to prove it wrong. Sorry." I really don't understand what he is trying to say. Would you mind try to SAY SOME OTHER THINGS that can make me understand you better?
DreamKing
Honorary Master
timgaul, are you ok?
OR are you cursed or on spells or somthing?
OR are you cursed or on spells or somthing?
Ekhaatvensters
Executive Member
Didn't you see Bwana's post of the law? It states the limits to paying with coins, so they clearly exist. Only up to 50c in 5c coins in fact.
making_hay
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It was my opinion. My opinion just so happens to be pretty close to the law (thank you bwana):
You can remove that carrot from your rear-end now timgaul.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Ah, there's the mature comment we come to expect of someone with with all of 39 posts. However, you fail to realise that my concern was not with what you posted but the fact that you have problems debating in a mature manner. You post opinions without any facts and have nothing to back up your comments. You then become extremely defensive when someone challenges your flimsy post and resort to base name calling. This is not the way one should conduct a mature discussion. Perhaps, and if you expect to ever be taken seriously in this forum, you should either refrain from commenting without knowing all the facts or you should find another hobby.
Yes, bwana seems to have found a piece of legislation that puts an end to this quarrel. You, my friend, however were merely speaking from an opinion where you had no basis in fact. When challenged to prove that point I suggest you play the ball and not the player or, and I'm sure your mother always told you this, don't say anything unless you have something nice to say.
I hope you'll take these comments to heart otherwise you'll find your time here very short lived and unpleasant.