8 name changes for Cape roads

[VioAdmin]

Good, they need to rename a lot more names in CPTown after this but this is a good start.

Can't be using names associated with the apartheid/colonial times...It's time for a change, good move by DA.

 

[nightjar]

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/8-name-changes-for-cape-roads-1.1216209

Here we go again ffs!

The idea that Cape Town wants to remove JAN SMUTS from public sight shows just how ignorant and clueless the committee is.

The whole world, and Black AFRICA in particular, should be immensely grateful to Jan Smuts because without him there would have been no Royal Air Force to defend the free world.

Jan Smuts was responsible for the formation of the Royal Air Force which prevented a victory by Hitler in 1941. Had Hitler won WW2 he would not have stopped with the Jews but would have killed or enslaved all the “non-white” races.

Just imagine a world ruled by the Nazis because that is what the work of Jan Smuts prevented.

Some time last year I heard an interview on 567 where the guest remarked the the term “Native Yard” was an urban legend because when NYANGA was set up the planners could not be bothered to allocate street names and simply gave them numbers based on the first two letters (NY) of the township.

 

[VioAdmin]

The idea that Cape Town wants to remove JAN SMUTS from public sight shows just how ignorant and clueless the committee is.

The whole world, and Black AFRICA in particular, should be immensely grateful to Jan Smuts because without him there would have been no Royal Air Force to defend the free world.

Jan Smuts was responsible for the formation of the Royal Air Force which prevented a victory by Hitler in 1941. Had Hitler won WW2 he would not have stopped with the Jews but would have killed or enslaved all the “non-white” races.

Just imagine a world ruled by the Nazis because that is what the work of Jan Smuts prevented.

Some time last year I heard an interview on 567 where the guest remarked the the term “Native Yard” was an urban legend because when NYANGA was set up the planners could not be bothered to allocate street names and simply gave them numbers based on the first two letters (NY) of the township.

Remove anything relating to this JAN SMUTS guy, the guy was a pro-apartheid racist war mongler. He wasn't fighting for African's or any non-white race. Especially not during those times.

I am sorry but he is no hero in the majority of African's eyes, and I don't think we need to go further than that.

"Smuts was for most of his political life a vocal supporter of segregation of the races, and in 1929 he justified the erection of separate institutions for blacks and whites in tones prescient of the later practice of apartheid"

lol man, f@k jan smuts. He is not the reason the Nazi regime lost the war, even if he did contribute to their downfall.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Remove anything relating to this JAN SMUTS guy, the guy was a pro-apartheid racist war mongler. He wasn't fighting for African's or any non-white race. Especially not during those times.

Go read about Jan Hofmeyr who smut nominated as his successor, he advocating ending segregation in South Africa.

I am sorry but he is no hero in the majority of African's eyes, and I don't think we need to go further than that.

back in 1929 it would be hard to find a white guy who didn't feel he wasn't superior to the blacks. It was a world wide phenomenon. Smuts was quite progressive though as he believed that the black people wouldn't always be inferior to the whites.

lol man, f@k jan smuts. He is not the reason the Nazi regime lost the war, even if he did contribute to their downfall.

He was the father behind the United Nations, the League of nations and was nominated to replace Churchill if anything happened to him.

 

[porchrat]

LOL they are changing "Vanguard Drive" but "DF Malan Street" is left alone? If the point was to remove the names of Apartheid folks from street names then these people are failing miserably.

If the point was just to change road names for the hell of it then I want my tax money back.

 

[The_Mowgs]

Remove anything relating to this JAN SMUTS guy, the guy was a pro-apartheid racist war mongler. He wasn't fighting for African's or any non-white race. Especially not during those times.

I am sorry but he is no hero in the majority of African's eyes, and I don't think we need to go further than that.


lol man, f@k jan smuts. He is not the reason the Nazi regime lost the war, even if he did contribute to their downfall.

Fair enough, but then FU@K Nelson Mandela as he was a terrorist in his younger years?

 

[Tassidar]

Remove anything relating to this JAN SMUTS guy, the guy was a pro-apartheid racist war mongler. He wasn't fighting for African's or any non-white race. Especially not during those times.

I am sorry but he is no hero in the majority of African's eyes, and I don't think we need to go further than that.


lol man, f@k jan smuts. He is not the reason the Nazi regime lost the war, even if he did contribute to their downfall.

You are really showing huge ignorance here. Jan Smuts was OPPOSED to apartheid:

His preoccupation with the war had severe political repercussions in South Africa. Smuts's support of the war and his support for the Fagan Commission made him unpopular amongst the Afrikaners and Daniel François Malan's pro-Apartheid stance won the Reunited National Party the 1948 general election. Although this result was widely forecast, it is a credit to Smuts's political acumen that he was only narrowly defeated by eight seats (and, in fact, won the popular vote by 620,682 votes to 462,332). Smuts, who had been confident of victory, lost his own seat in the House of Assembly and retired from politics. He still hoped that the tenuous National Party government would fall; but it was to remain in power until 1994, when after nearly five decades of Apartheid, a transitional government of national unity was formed.

Wikipedia

Jan Smuts is IMHO by FAR the greatest statesman this country has EVER had, and that most certainly includes Nelson Mandela.

I personally take huge offence at any removing of his name.

I suggest you take a little bit of time and READ. This involves keeping an open mind, and not letting racial prejudices get in the way. You might actually learn something

 

[Sherbang]

Fair enough, but then FU@K Nelson Mandela as he was a terrorist in his younger years?

According to the apartheid government he was a terrorist. According to the rest of the world he is a freedom fighter who renounced violence and took the path of forgiveness and reconciliation.

 

[Lounger]

Mayor Patricia de Lille has promised Capetonians will have the final say.

Rhoda Kadalie led the last round of name change meetings. They just ignored her rcommendations.

Now we have a new committee.

Maybe they will keep having these committees and meetings until they get the names they actually want.

 

[Sherbang]

You are really showing huge ignorance here. Jan Smuts was OPPOSED to apartheid:
Wikipedia

Jan Smuts is IMHO by FAR the greatest statesman this country has EVER had, and that most certainly includes Nelson Mandela.

I personally take huge offence at any removing of his name.

I suggest you take a little bit of time and READ. This involves keeping an open mind, and not letting racial prejudices get in the way. You might actually learn something

If Smuts had won the 1948 elections this countries history would have been very different. Apartheid would never have existed. He was still a racist though.

 

[burn]

* Hendrik Verwoerd Drive.

* JB Hertzog Boulevard

I can see why people have a problem with these names

Has Oswald Pirow changed yet? That guy was a douche.

 

[_Jakes_]

Maybe we can just install electronic road signs linked to a GPS database which these poepholititions can change every time someone wins an election.

 

[kingdong]

I think it is about time the DA begun naming streets after DP / DA leaders. Why not?

The Western Cape Province is governed by the DA and the Cape Town Metropolitan Council is governed by the DA. It's the DA's prerogative, as it was the prerogative of the old government to name streets after their heroes and the ANC their heroes in their controlled towns.

I propose:

Helen Zille Drive
Patricia De Lille Drive
Tony Leon Drive
etc

 

[burn]

I'd like to seem them name these roads after indigenous animals or something else politically neutral.

 

[_Jakes_]

I think it is about tome the DA begun naming streets after DA leaders. Why not?
The Western Cape Province is governed by the DA and the Cape Town Metropolitan Council is governed by the DA.

The ANC has no shame in naming streets in cities and towns run by them, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I propose:

Helen Zille Drive
Patricia De Lille Drive
Tony Leon Drive
etc

How about we just get SARS to install a big furnace so that when we go to hand in our tax returns we can just burn our money right there and then. Then we wont need to spend all our money on paying salaries for politicians to burn our money for us.

 

[VioAdmin]

You are really showing huge ignorance here. Jan Smuts was OPPOSED to apartheid:
Wikipedia

Jan Smuts is IMHO by FAR the greatest statesman this country has EVER had, and that most certainly includes Nelson Mandela.

I personally take huge offence at any removing of his name.

I suggest you take a little bit of time and READ. This involves keeping an open mind, and not letting racial prejudices get in the way. You might actually learn something

No, it is not I showing ignorance, it is clearly YOU.

Jan Smuts did not oppose apartheid, are we talking about the same Jan Smuts here? Face, it read the other posts on this thread, we all know he was a racist, if you don't believe so then...well re-educate yourself.

Remove his name and any of his statues etc, why let someone who wanted to opress non-white have glory and fame in a country made up of non-whites?

Makes no sense, forget HIM.

Once again, it is YOU who needs to follow your own advice, take some time off, put those Heineken beers back in the fridge for a few hours and think, you don't even have to read, just think of what you are typing.

Jan Smuts, a hero in WHO's eyes? Be realistic:

There is however no evidence that Smuts ever supported the idea of equal political rights for blacks and whites. The Fagan Commission did not advocate the establishment of a non-racial democracy in South Africa, but rather wanted to liberalise influx controls of Africans into urban areas in order to facilitate the supply of African labour to the South African industry. It also envisaged a relaxation of the pass laws that had restricted the movement of Africans in general.

Once again F@K Jan Smuts.

 

[daveza]

In Smuts’ own words:

“The idea that the Natives must all be removed and confined in their own kraals is in my opinion the greatest nonsense I have ever heard.”

 

[Hemi300c]

I have issues with the name changes in Gauteng and feel strongly that the names should be more representitive and I suggest they could use the following apt names:

Isteallots Ave

Inaenvelope Ave

Winatender Ave

Corruption Dr

Hicrime Ave

Gotaway Ave

Window Dresser St

Johny Walker Ave

Golden Handshake Dr

Incompetence Str

 

[Sherbang]

No, it is not I showing ignorance, it is clearly YOU.

Jan Smuts did not oppose apartheid, are we talking about the same Jan Smuts here? Face, it read the other posts on this thread, we all know he was a racist, if you don't believe so then...well re-educate yourself.

Remove his name and any of his statues etc, why let someone who wanted to opress non-white have glory and fame in a country made up of non-whites?

Makes no sense, forget HIM.

Once again, it is YOU who needs to follow your own advice, take some time off, put those Heineken beers back in the fridge for a few hours and think, you don't even have to read, just think of what you are typing.

Jan Smuts, a hero in WHO's eyes? Be realistic:

Once again F@K Jan Smuts.

Jan Smuts most definitely DID oppose apartheid.
The South African general election, 1948 was Smuts against Daniel Francois Malan of the Herenigde Nasionale Party.

The HNP, realizing that many White South Africans felt threatened by black political aspirations, pledged to implement a policy of strict racial segregation in all spheres of living if victorious. The Nationalists labelled this new system of government 'apartheid', the name by which it became universally - and infamously - known.

In contrast to this consistent, straightforward platform, the UP supported vague notions of slowly integrating the different racial groups in SA. Furthermore, white dissatisfaction with domestic and economic problems in South Africa after World War II, the NP's superior organization and gerrymandering all proved to be significant challenges to the UP campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_general_election,_1948

The whole 1948 election was Malan pro-apartheid versus Smuts pro integration.

One of the central issues facing the white electorate in the 1948 election was that of race. The United Party (UP) and the National Party (NP) presented voters with differing answers to questions relating to racial integration in SA. Smuts and his followers were in favour of a pragmatic approach, arguing that racial integration was inevitable and that the government should thus relax regulations which sought to prevent black people moving into urban areas.[1] While still seeking to maintain white dominance, the UP argued in favour of gradually reforming the political system so that black South Africans could eventually, at some unspecified point in the future, exercise some sort of power in a racially integrated South Africa. In contrast to this seemingly vague ideology, the NP advanced the notion of further, strictly enforced segregation between races and the total disempowerment of black South Africans. Rural to urban movement by blacks was to be discouraged.[1] The UP position was supported by the Fagan Commission while the Sauer Commission informed the NP's stance.[1]

 

[VioAdmin]

Jan Smuts most definitely DID oppose apartheid.
The South African general election, 1948 was Smuts against Daniel Francois Malan of the Herenigde Nasionale Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_general_election,_1948

The whole 1948 election was Malan pro-apartheid versus Smuts pro integration.

Smuts is often depicted as a white supremacist who played an important role in establishing and supporting a racially segregated society in South Africa. He thought that it was "the duty of whites to deal justly with Africans," "raise them up in civilisation," and that they should not be given political power. Giving the right to vote to the black African majority he feared would imply the ultimate destruction of Western civilisation in South Africa. Smuts was for most of his political life a vocal supporter of segregation of the races, and in 1929 he justified the erection of separate institutions for blacks and whites in tones prescient of the later practice of apartheid...

Read that once or twice, or 3 times.

From your quotes, it is clearly stating that Jan Smuts and his political team knew that it was pointless in the long run to prevent Blacks from moving into the urban areas simply because the times were changing. It does not say their direct motives were humanitarian based at all.

If you think for 1 second that Jan Smuts was not a racist then you are naive and YOU KNOW IT.

So once again, even if he was accepting of integration at some point it would be the same way you are envisioning now. This guy was a clear racist and he died a racist, simple as that.

Sorry man, this guy is no hero. He is just a twat.

I leave you with this quote straight from his foul mouth:

The old practice mixed up black with white in the same institutions, and nothing else was possible after the native institutions and traditions had been carelessly or deliberately destroyed. But in the new plan there will be what is called in South Africa "segregation"; two separate institutions for the two elements of the population living in their own separate areas. Separate institutions involve territorial segregation of the white and black. If they live mixed together it is not practicable to sort them out under separate institutions of their own. Institutional segregation carries with it territorial segregation.