8mbit - Some real facts.

[Azul]

Hi,

So anyone actually anything VALID and factual to share regarding 8mbit, and 8mbit trial.

The last I heard and this was a few months ago, the Telkom guy told me ONLY a few Telkom employees are testing 8mbit lines.

Is there a semi-open trial happening right now? Do any normal residential users actually have 8mbit? Anyone here have 8mbit?

And does anyone know how you can be put on the trial if it is happening.

I'm sick of all the **** people have been talking, no one has any real information.

 

[boramk]

Nobody has it.
Trialing it means spending money on renewing old infrastructure, Telkom won't do that

 

[killadoob]

Errrm wrong dude, telkom lines can run 8 meg if your close enough with ease from what a telkom techie told me.

What is the point of meg lines though in a bandwidth starved country? Yay look at my 10 gig cap go at 8 meg.

 

[XtekCoR]

I have also spoken to a telkom techie, he told me that telkom has assigned random people for the 8mbit trialling ie. there could be some people out there with 8mbit. According to the techie he claim's telkom does know when it will be released but they are "unable to provide that kind of information" but they can tell you that it will be soon ie in another 10 years... No1 knows for sure, but I have a feeling sometime next year we will be seeing 8mbits. Oh and according to the techie, the 8mbits trial is doing a lot better then the 4mbits did, which could mean that there is a possibility that there will be more users with 8mbits then ppl think. But who know's this is all info i got from telkom, it could all be garbage, just thought i'd share wat I heard

 

[kiepie]

How could 8mbit be doing better than 4mbit?

Line quality, distance from exchange decides this. So me that is 5km/s away with poor line quality (65 errors per minute) will still have issues even with a 8mbit.

 

[MagicDude4Eva]

How could 8mbit be doing better than 4mbit?

Line quality, distance from exchange decides this. So me that is 5km/s away with poor line quality (65 errors per minute) will still have issues even with a 8mbit.

I cant wait since my line quality/distance from the exchange is optimal. Doing some tests and having a look at SNR/attenuation, my connection will be able to support up to 12mbit - now the bandwidth price just needs to drop:-(

 

[Gaz{M}]

How could 8mbit be doing better than 4mbit?

Line quality, distance from exchange decides this. So me that is 5km/s away with poor line quality (65 errors per minute) will still have issues even with a 8mbit.

8Mbit ADSL 2+ is better than the current Gdmt modulation used for 4Mbit ADSL, so is more immune to distance, noise and line quality issues.

Last I heard, the 8 Mbit trial was a success, but there is no business case for it at the moment. I tend to agree that I wouldn't pay extra for 8 Mbit with caps still being so expensive. Once SEACOM is online, i think it will make a serious case for 8 Mbit.

 

[LazyLion]

Telkom's official statement at the MyBroadband conference was that 8 Mbit and even ADSL2+ are on the cards but you won't see it until there is sufficient backhaul and sufficient International capacity to accommodate it. Kinda common sense really. So I would think you could expect an announcement around the latter half of 2009.

 

[kris860911]

Seacom estimates there are 1-million broadband users in SA, and if they all accessed the internet simultaneously that would require one terabit of international bandwidth. Yet SA has only about 10 gigabits, so users may never get the access speeds they pay for.

So yea. Guess we need to wait for the Seacom cable. There is no point running faster to a bottleneck... You still have to wait.

 

[gregmcc]

Imminent.

just like the 384k --> 512k upgrades

 

[RedhotNeo]

Originally Posted by http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Broadband/5859.html
Seacom estimates there are 1-million broadband users in SA, and if they all accessed the internet simultaneously that would require one terabit of international bandwidth. Yet SA has only about 10 gigabits, so users may never get the access speeds they pay for.

We have a lot more bandwith then the 10 gigabits mentioned here... the SAT3/SAFE cables carry more 300 gigabits of bandwith but remember, we are not the only people using that cable... there many other institues and countries connected on the cable

 

[Gaz{M}]

Originally Posted by http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Broadband/5859.html
Seacom estimates there are 1-million broadband users in SA, and if they all accessed the internet simultaneously that would require one terabit of international bandwidth. Yet SA has only about 10 gigabits, so users may never get the access speeds they pay for.

What a load of hooey. Noone accesses the internet 100% of the time at 1:1 ratio. Using the currently accepted oversell of 20:1, the most we would need is 50 Gbits which is 16 GBytes of data per person per month - already too much data for most people's needs.

 

[cavedog]

SIGH I just want more cap! Haha you mention 10GB look at my 1Gb cap go at 8. lol it makes me sick!

 

[Leftfoot]

I was once employed at Telkom and we first started in-house ADSL trials in 2001/2002 and 8megs was easily achieved ... then over a distance of 2 km, but became a little erratic beyond that.
Some of my old colleges reckon that they are in the process of moving DSLAM's closer to the residences (within 2km). This is especially true where ADSL density is high.
ADSL2+ routers have been dished out by Telkom for a while now and some of the newer DSLAM's are compatible....so I have been led to believe its about 12months off. I imagine it also has somthing to do with the new international fibre cables arriving?

 

[milomak]

Errrm wrong dude, telkom lines can run 8 meg if your close enough with ease from what a telkom techie told me.

What is the point of meg lines though in a bandwidth starved country? Yay look at my 10 gig cap go at 8 meg.

i find this illogical. if i am going to download 3gig, surely I want it to come down as quickly as possible. I can't imagine that you would say that we should be getting speeds that would mean we would need 24/7 downloading for 15 days to finish a 3gig cap.

 

[iant]

What a load of hooey. Noone accesses the internet 100% of the time at 1:1 ratio. Using the currently accepted oversell of 20:1, the most we would need is 50 Gbits which is 16 GBytes of data per person per month - already too much data for most people's needs.

I think I would rather the ratio was decreased, than the speed increased...

 

[SlyFly]

People that is trailing 8 meg probably doesnt even know they have it... Some people are all to tech savvy... So they might be downloading at 8 meg speeds but what are they downloading? Websites, emails and streaming videos... Which on a 4meg is already fast...

Maybe telkom looked at people that dont use a lot of cap and gave some of them 8 meg lines to test... Without them even knowing it... (I seriously hope this is the case )

 

[matrixweb]

soooooo there no news about this? dont think we will get this until fibre is out because most people cant even achieve full 4mb speeds

 

[RogueRunner]

I cant wait since my line quality/distance from the exchange is optimal. Doing some tests and having a look at SNR/attenuation, my connection will be able to support up to 12mbit - now the bandwidth price just needs to drop:-(

Where is the formula to work that out again?

 

[Surv0]

Hi,

So anyone actually anything VALID and factual to share regarding 8mbit, and 8mbit trial.

The last I heard and this was a few months ago, the Telkom guy told me ONLY a few Telkom employees are testing 8mbit lines.

Is there a semi-open trial happening right now? Do any normal residential users actually have 8mbit? Anyone here have 8mbit?

And does anyone know how you can be put on the trial if it is happening.

I'm sick of all the **** people have been talking, no one has any real information.

I know of somebody in stellenbosch with an 8 meg line. His father is quite high up in the Telkom ladder. Had it for some time now as well...