A Canadian province is about to start trialling universal basic income

[RanzB]

OK, I'll indulge your little Thomas moment.

And I won't indulge your lying. Doesn't it get embarrassing getting caught all the time?

 

[Ockie]

This could be a great thing, or a very bad thing. Depends on the mentality of the people I guess. It could work great if people use it responsibly. If you are working, then you can take that money and save it, invest it etc. It will give you peace of mind that if you lose your job for whatever reason, you have a litle nest egg to fall back on and take anxiety away.

On the bad side, if people see it as a means now to just sit back and not give a sh*t about their job or losing it, then this can go very very very wrong. Canada I think has a populace that in general will make good use of something like this. Here in SA......mmmmm ..... not so much I think.

 

[Arthur]

And I won't indulge your lying. Doesn't it get embarrassing getting caught all the time?

You seem unable to make the basic distinction between error, untruth and lies, Randhir.

A lie is an untruth knowingly told, usually with the intention to deceive.

Of course there are many untruths and errors of fact that I have adhered to in my life - I freely and happily acknowledge that to the world.

For many years I sincerely held and believed there was no God. It turns out I was mistaken. But that does not make my erstwhile atheism a lie - it's an untruth and an error of reason, though sincerely held.

I once sincerely believed that socialism was the genuine path to human flourishing and justice. It turns out I was wrong about that. But that does not make it a lie. It's an untruth, but sincerely held.

When Freddy Hoyle denied the Big Bang, he was not lying. He was mistaken about facts.

I once thought the evidence suggested that ancient aliens played some part in our early development. I even went to the Topkapi Palace specifically to see the Piri Reis map with my own eyes, because Von Daniken cited it as evidence. It turns out I was wrong about that. It does not make it a lie, just an error.

I citied to you a comment I heard on CNN about an 80-year precedent on SCOTUS appointments in an election year. It turns out the source was wrong about that. But it doesn't make it my lie. Just a error, which I happily and freely acknowledged when better information came along.

Lies, Randhir, require animus. Dolus. This is another elementary distinction you seem incapable of making. I haven't stooped to calling you a liar, because you sincerely believe the untruths and falsities you cling to.

However, I gladly accept your accusations, and patiently await Judgment Day. Then all shall be revealed.

Enough now on this tiresome topic.

 

[RanzB]

I citied to you a comment I heard on CNN about an 80-year precedent on SCOTUS appointments in an election year. It turns out the source was wrong about that. But it does make it my lie. Just a error, which I happily and freely acknowledged when better information came along.

ah, yes, my precious. we'll see one day. we'll see.

for randhir (and some others, evidently) anything that doesn't fit his worldview is a lie. how wonderful to have such certain access to truth. life is very simple for him.

"Happily and freely acknowledged when better information came along', after telling people to google the 'truth' for themselves', insulting others, more lying, then 'acknowledging' your horsesh,t ten days later. After repeatedly being asked for any evidence to support a claim you regurgitated as truth. No wonder no one can trust a word you type.

And yes, calling out others for asking you to prove your lies is an 'untruth knowingly told'. You knew you were talking crap from the first time you were called out, since you could offer no proof. Hey, isn't that what you're doing now? Sound familiar, Arthur?

Lies, Randhir, require animus. Dolus. This is another elementary distinction you seem incapable of making. I haven't stooped to calling you a liar, because you sincerely believe the untruths and falsities you cling to.

You're free to call me a liar. You're also free to back that up with fact. Oh wait. You're not a fan of facts, are you?

However, I gladly accept your accusations, and patiently await Judgment Day. Then all shall be revealed.

"Gladly". Haha. What a crock.

Enough now on this tiresome topic.

Yes, I suppose being proven to be a liar over and over could get quite tiresome.

 

[RanzB]

This could be a great thing, or a very bad thing. Depends on the mentality of the people I guess. It could work great if people use it responsibly. If you are working, then you can take that money and save it, invest it etc. It will give you peace of mind that if you lose your job for whatever reason, you have a litle nest egg to fall back on and take anxiety away.

On the bad side, if people see it as a means now to just sit back and not give a sh*t about their job or losing it, then this can go very very very wrong. Canada I think has a populace that in general will make good use of something like this. Here in SA......mmmmm ..... not so much I think.

Universal basic income could offer an alternative model. A pilot project of the model took place in the Canadian town of Dauphin in Manitoba between 1974 and 1979 and showed that basic income greatly reduced poverty, while also reducing the government's costs by cuttings hospital visits and mental health-related complaints in the town.

A study in the US also showed the health benefits of giving people 'free money' - poor children whose parents were given an extra US$4,000 each year were less likely to have behavioural and emotional disorders compared to their peers, and were also more conscientious and agreeable - traits that are linked to future success and happiness.

Scientists don't fully understand how extra income can have such significant health benefits - obesity and diabetes are also linked to poverty - but a recent study showed that financial stress can actually change people's DNA, and make it age faster.

Despite this, there are plenty of arguments against universal basic income - most commonly that if everyone gets handed money by the government, they won't be as motivated to find jobs.

And in Dauphin, the number of hours worked did decrease slightly during the five-year trial period. But instead of working so much, men actually spent more time in school, and women chose to stay longer on maternity leave, so there were still benefits to society.

What's more, when a similar system was trialled in Uganda, working hours increased by 17 percent, and average earnings increased by 38 percent.

Yeah it's always going to be dependent on the balance of how it actually gets used by those in the system. On the flip side, you see workers who have to slave for a wage having to work two or three jobs just to survive.

 

[Arthur]

Ah, so because it took me TEN DAYS to come back to some thread, I'm a liar. Ag shame, man. Now I actually feel sorry for you, poor chap.

I am mortified it took me ten days to respond to your post. I offer you my humble and abject apologies for not doing so sooner.

Frankly, I didn't bother to check any comments until TEN DAYS later (taking your word that it was in fact ten days and not say 11.27). Believe it or not, but 99.9999921% of my life is outside of this forum. I am sooo sorry, Randhir.

 

[Arthur]

Oh, please, I beseech you: Do you accept my ticket stub and business card evidence above? Please, oh please, let me know soonest.

 

[RanzB]

Ah, so because it took me TEN DAYS to come back to some thread, I'm a liar. Ag shame, man. Now I actually feel sorry for you, poor chap.

I am mortified it took me ten days to respond to your post. I offer you my humble and abject apologies for not doing so sooner.

Frankly, I didn't bother to check any comments until TEN DAYS later (taking your word that it was in fact ten days and not say 11.27). Believe it or not, but 99.9999921% of my life is outside of this forum. I am sooo sorry, Randhir.

You commented multiple times within those ten days, mostly to disparage others. I've highlighted a few of your response posts. You didn't 'come back', liar. You didn't take ten days to respond to my post, you responded more than a few times. You see how this shows more of how much of a liar you are?

And frankly, you trying to sell the story that you'll believe anything you hear on some interview as gospel over the fact that you actually lied, isn't much better.

Oh, please, I beseech you: Do you accept my ticket stub and business card evidence above? Please, oh please, let me know soonest.

Anyone have any idea what this means? Can anyone see any 'evidence'?

Oh and as a side note: You realise what people are doubting, right? Your conversation, as reported by you.. I have proof of a two-week roadtrip I took in January, I don't have proof of me having a conversation with Bill Gates, no matter how much I protest it happened. :wtf: Are you for real?

 

[Arthur]

Oh, and I have spoken to Bill Gates. Many times. Including on television in front of a live audience of thousands. But I'm not gonna bother giving you any evidence. At least not here on MyBB.

I'm your worst nightmare, Randhir.

 

[RanzB]

I'm your worst nightmare, Randhir.

My worst nightmare wouldn't be someone so pathetic as to have to resort to lying on an online forum Arthur

 

[Drunkard #1]

Here's evidence that they don't.



And...

Basic Income Grants Alleviate Poverty in Namibia



Do you have evidence that a universal basic income will do you what you say it will?

Somehow lefty liberals always manage to pull some or other "study" out their arse, and every single time it gets shot down as bull****: poor methodology, poor sample selection, biased researchers, illogical conclusions, over-reaching, etc, etc. I'll just assume these are no different, safe in the knowledge that someone with far more time than me will comprehensively debunk them.

The leftys, of course, will quickly forget about them and completely ignore the fact that this is the 2315357th consecutive "study" to be exposed as bull****. As a prejudiced, stereotyping right winger, I won't forget, and treat all their propaganda as bull**** without even reading it.

 

[RanzB]

As a prejudiced, stereotyping right winger, I won't forget, and treat all their propaganda as bull**** without even reading it.

Checks out.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

*Pointless whiny rant*

So no evidence? Got it.

 

[Drunkard #1]

So no evidence? Got it.

no evidence is better than your "evidence". Oh, and the USSR is all the evidence that I need for the inevitable failure of all communist experiments.

 

[Arthur]

Somehow lefty liberals always manage to pull some or other "study" out their arse, and every single time it gets shot down as bull****: poor methodology, poor sample selection, biased researchers, illogical conclusions, over-reaching, etc, etc. I'll just assume these are no different, safe in the knowledge that someone with far more time than me will comprehensively debunk them.

The leftys, of course, will quickly forget about them and completely ignore the fact that this is the 2315357th consecutive "study" to be exposed as bull****. As a prejudiced, stereotyping right winger, I won't forget, and treat all their propaganda as bull**** without even reading it.

You can't debunk them. They live in an echo chamber where the only facts are the ones they approve, and all else is a lie. They've intellectually innoculated themselves against reality.

Fortunately they don't have enough kids to replace themselves, so we'll outbreed them. Call it Darwin's reprise.

 

[zippy]

On a recent flight out of Dallas I sat next to a cloud/mobile/software business owner and entrepreneur from Asia. He had a year earlier launched his business in the USA, and it was "explodingly successful" he said.

I asked him when he plans to take his obviously successful business to Europe, and he said "Never". Why? "Because Europeans don't like to work. They're soft, with a sense of entitlement, and that will kill any business."

This is what Ontario's loopy plan will do. It'll infect the entire nation with "rich kids' syndrome", sap drive and vitality, kill effort and hard work. Without those, no society can survive long.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

I don't see that here in the UK. Employment is high.

I wonder if he actually meant South Africa

 

[OrbitalDawn]

You can't debunk them. They live in an echo chamber where the only facts are the ones they approve, and all else is a lie. They've intellectually innoculated themselves against reality.

Fortunately they don't have enough kids to replace themselves, so we'll outbreed them. Call it Darwin's reprise.

So you have evidence for me?

 

[RanzB]

You can't debunk them.

Certainly you'll try with lies. As usual. "But I'm not gonna bother giving you any evidence" as is your usual story.

 

[RanzB]

So you have evidence for me?

Haha.

Haha.

Ha.

At this point I'm starting to think Arthur is allergic to the truth or facts.

 

[Arthur]

The evidence is Out There. If you're interested, you'll find it. But none of it will make the slightest diffs until the blinkers come off.