A higher level than Discovery Diamond Status ?

justplain

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What are your thoughts?
Do you think Discovery will ever add a tier above Diamond? Or simply make it harder to achieve each tier.
I've been on Diamond for at least 5 years now. I wonder how many others maintain this tier status?
 
What did you do to get to diamond? I can't get to silver
 
Single member, not a family profile.
Did my annual Discovery Vitality tests at Dischem or Clicks. (15000+ points if you're in their "good" ranges)
Use my PicknPay/woolworths healthy food benefit.
Regular gym visits
exercise 3 times a week with a heart rate monitor linked to a Discovery partner (Garmin, Polar etc)
No Discovery Credit card
No Discovery Insurance or life cover
Only coastal core medical aid

on 59000 points this year already....
 
Also on diamond for five years and gold for three years prior from 2009 when i joined vitality.

I will make 45,000 points by around October or November I'd estimate. Currently on 37700.

I have a Polar H7 but only use it when I have to. If I can visit gym and do a moderate intensity workout without the H7 I prefer it, not having to be the trained monkey in a hamster wheel.

I think next year will take some serious dedication for me to maintain diamond. Had to do the fitness test this year (for points) after not having to do it for a few years.

Yes I try to do the HealthyFood thing, only at Woolworths. Have a discovery credit card but it doesn't really help anything. Don't have other products with them.
 
Ah, ok. Thanks. So some real benefit, then. Glad to hear.

I guess I'm just suspicious of "loyalty" programs run by commercial entities, especially when they don't easily translate into quantifiable benefits. So often these schemes are designed to generate extra revenues by pushing "loyal" members into additional expenditures and then collecting an agterskot/rebate from the partner/affiliate at the back end, while the "loyal member" gets a relatively small discount. In other words, drive up the member's spend at network partners by say R5000 over the year and collect a 35% discount of which 5-10% is passed on to the member at purchase time and the balance passed to the program owner by way of rebate or agterskot..

I wonder if anyone has ever bothered to calculate the real annual benefit... It must work for people, else it wouldn't be thing., I suppose. Personally, though, I prefer cheaper tickets to air miles for example.
 
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Well said old chap. Those "benefits" are more pain than gain.
 
Ah, ok. Thanks. So some real benefit, then. Glad to hear.

I guess I'm just suspicious of "loyalty" programs run by commercial entities, especially when they don't easily translate into quantifiable benefits. So often these schemes are designed to generate extra revenues by pushing "loyal" members into additional expenditures and then collecting an agterskot/rebate from the partner/affiliate at the back end, while the "loyal member" gets a relatively small discount. In other words, drive up the member's spend at network partners by say R5000 over the year and collect a 35% discount of which 5-10% is passed on to the member at purchase time and the balance passed to the program owner by way of rebate or agterskot..

I wonder if anyone has ever bothered to calculate the real annual benefit... It must work for people, else it wouldn't be thing., I suppose. Personally, though, I prefer cheaper tickets to air miles for example.

Ah, ok. Thanks. So some real benefit, then. Glad to hear.

I guess I'm just suspicious of "loyalty" programs run by commercial entities, especially when they don't easily translate into quantifiable benefits. So often these schemes are designed to generate extra revenues by pushing "loyal" members into additional expenditures and then collecting an agterskot/rebate from the partner/affiliate at the back end, while the "loyal member" gets a relatively small discount. In other words, drive up the member's spend at network partners by say R5000 over the year and collect a 35% discount of which 5-10% is passed on to the member at purchase time and the balance passed to the program owner by way of rebate or agterskot..

I wonder if anyone has ever bothered to calculate the real annual benefit... It must work for people, else it wouldn't be thing., I suppose. Personally, though, I prefer cheaper tickets to air miles for example.

^^This.

We have to remember that they wouldn't provide these benefits if, on the whole, they weren't making money. I've heard the argument that they make their money because their clients stay healthier and thus claim less money in healthcare costs. This may be somewhat true....however, the amount of exercise they push you to in order to get 'active rewards' reaches a point where you are doing more wear and tear on you body than you are providing additional health benefit (for those of you on vitality, imagine how much exercise you have to do in a week to meet a 600-900 point goal).

I was on Vitality for 1 year. On the whole, I probably didn't lose money if I make the argument that all of those things I paid for, I would have bought had I not been on Vitality. For example: I paid an initial R1500 joining fee for Virgin active, and then only R119 per month after that. For the year, that means my gym membership cost roughly R244 per month, which normally would have cost around R500 (a savings of R256 per month). So it seems like I saved money, right? Well when you factor in my Vitality monthly membership (R219) then the savings was only R37 per month.

So now some of you will say that you also get additional money back from the healthy food reward. That's true, I also made money from that. In months when I was being super loyal, and trying to only buy Vitality approved items I could make back close to R300 per month.

So it seems like a good deal right? Well, then I started to consider, could I by a similar item of a different brand and save money (for example, tin of tomatoes from a brand that isn't Vitality approved but has the same ingredients) and I realized, yes I could. I realized, this was often the case. There were some cheaper, equally healthy items that I wasn't buying just because they weren't "Vitality" approved. Moreover, I would often opt out of buying fresh (cheaper) produce from farmer's markets, because I couldn't get Vitality points or cash back.

I also didn't take walks or runs with my dogs outside anymore, because I couldn't get points for that, unless I wanted to dish out a lot of money on a Vitality approved tracking device or HR monitor.

When you start to consider all of the additional hidden costs (e.g. not buying cheaper healthy food from different brands, not shopping at a closer, more convenient grocery franchise or farmers market, cost of health checks, cost of fitness tracking devices, etc.) the savings turns out to be quite minimal.

I realized, that for me, even if I come out R100 ahead, i'd rather not deal with all of the jumping through hoops to get it. So I cancelled my membership.
 
I've heard the argument that they make their money because their clients stay healthier and thus claim less money in healthcare costs.
Might be true for ordinary insurance, but not for Medical Aid societies. For Medical Aids, the monthly contributions do not belong to the company but to the members, and they are shown separately in the balance sheet and income statement as "Member's Funds". All the Medical Aid society can do is charge an annual admin fee, and Discovery is already pretty reasonable on that.

Bottom line: Medical Aid schemes make no more money by denying or limiting claims. See this for a fuller explanation. Quite a different matter for insurance, however.
 
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We have to remember that they wouldn't provide these benefits if, on the whole, they weren't making money. I've heard the argument that they make their money because their clients stay healthier and thus claim less money in healthcare costs. This may be somewhat true....however, the amount of exercise they push you to in order to get 'active rewards' reaches a point where you are doing more wear and tear on you body than you are providing additional health benefit (for those of you on vitality, imagine how much exercise you have to do in a week to meet a 600-900 point goal).

This is false at least from a claims perspective. Studies done recently with years of accumulated data have shown that people who get their points with high cardiovascular activities have much lower claims on average. So there is going to be an even bigger push towards high heart rate points/rewards in the next few years.
 
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Hypothetical ZAR...

40% back on our company life cover premiums is a lot of real ZAR for me, and I think the percentage is based on the total premium (of which the company contributes 50%), so it'll be more like 80% back on what I pay :D
 
^^This.

(for those of you on vitality, imagine how much exercise you have to do in a week to meet a 600-900 point goal).

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not much, about 3 x 30min sessions a week?

Plus I was one of those fortunate few who took advantage of the once off lifetime payment for Virginactive.
As long as I am Vitality I pay zero gym membership fees. So thats a saving
I achieve my weekly fitness goal and get a Kauai smoothie every week.
I get hundred of Rands back in cash from Healthy food purchases at PNP/Woolies
And got about R5k off an international BA flight due to my Diamond status.

so ja, it does work if you...work it...so to speak.
 
I also wish there was a higher status than Diamond, Ive been on Diamond for 3 years ,sitting at 51600 points,
I use the Discovery credit card ,health food and their insurance and get 25%back on fuel, its working for me

Also nearly close to achieving my 13th Goal for flight booster(saved R750)
 
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I also wish there was a higher status than Diamond, Ive been on Diamond for 3 years ,sitting at 51600 points,
I use the Discovery credit card ,health food and their insurance and get 25%back on fuel, its working for me

Also nearly close to achieving my 13th Goal for flight booster(saved R750)

I assume you do have the Miles Booster? If so then you have been using your Discovery Card at Pick n Pay, Clicks, Dischem etc?
 
Thats quite an amusing thing actually..

A fair chunk of it seems to revolve around having spent R500k on your Discovery card in the last year...
 
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