A ping-pong game between companies

genetic said:
My dilemma now comes in where Company B is desperately trying to get me back and is offering me a lot more money with more of a managerial position. I told them that I can't just leave, as that would be job hopping and is unfair to the company I just joined. Their response was that loyalty is for dogs. They have told me things have changed and said they made a mistake letting me go.
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Sounds like an ex wanting you back.

I don't think company B has changed at all personally.
 
Yes, a tough one...

You also have to consider potential motivational issues. At the moment, what motivates you to work at company A? Do you feel like you are fairly compensated by company A, and what are the other factors that provide job satisfaction? If you can’t honestly say that your perception is that you are being fairly compensated by company A for your work input, and that you have a sufficient level of job satisfaction, you run the risk of becoming demotivated to work for company A in the future.

Even though money is not generally the best motivator, feelings of being under valued or not fairly compensated can lead to being demotivated and the quality of your work may decrease.
 
Neoprod said:
Cool - got it. I have to say, as someone who previously managed people at a corporate (I no longer do, praise Jeebus), it is very hard to get compensation where you want it for the individual people under your management. Some people you inherit at a certain cost and you can see the company is not getting it's money's worth - others genuinely contribute and grow and you're handicapped by the policies in place.

The starting point for you might have been too low but there looks to have been a genuine effort to get you to where you should have been. I don't think I could have done any better when I managed even if your reviews came up uniformly excellent every review period.

That's neither here nor there - congrats on finding a more rewarding environment.
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On one hand I understand.. on the other this is bull****. No matter how hard you argue in corporate, it's always HR's fault or "policies" while other teams or resources can get around all this.
Suffice to say I'm very jaded by the reasons corporate managers use to get around giving you what you deserve.
 
Thor187 said:
Too difficult to give advice, but this is what I would have done:

To me money is everything, fck what people say, the truth is money does buy happiness especially if your materialistic like me.

So if company B truly did some restructuring and the causes of the first issues are removed then I would move.

Biggest drawback , you'll most likely burn your bridge this time round so if company B fcks up again I doubt you'll be able to return to company A again.
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I wouldn't put it so bluntly but that's because I can see that money doesn't necessarily buy happiness, but it does buy peace of mind which goes a long way to contribute to happiness. The truth is that many jobs work hard at destroying your passion for the job you do but if you can still enjoy the challenge everyday why not get paid for it? Gone are the days that it was taboo to say you want money and that you should bend your will to the "opportunity" a company presents.

The only thing of real value you will ever possess in this life is time, and you're trading that time for money - I'd make damn sure I get as much as I can for it. Also weigh up your options like more money, if managed correctly, could equal early retirement or rather financial freedom so that you can do what you want. Choices aren't black and white but shades of gray; look at what opportunity will get you to achieve your life goals in the shortest amount of time.
 
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If company A was given the option of another person who could give your exact input for less salary, which do you think they would choose?
 
Company B reminds me of my ex girlfriend. Dumped her after cheating on me. Then wants me back the moment I have another girl (Company A, A for Angel) in sight. I made the mistake once to go back to Company B (B for Bitch) and the promises of change never happened.

So no. Company B can f off. Even if changes are promised, nothing is set in stone and you might just be ending up getting paid a higher salary for the same stuff that you needed to endure before leaving them anyway
 
Companies should pay the "Going Rate". If they don't you need to get going.

Tell your present Employer about the approach. If they value you, they will make an offer to keep you.

I have always tried to pay slightly less than employees can get elsewhere. If one got a much better offer, I would not try to match it, but I always tried to have a succession line in place.

I also believe no one should be in the same job longer than 5 years.
 
grantza said:
let me ask you this:
how old are you ?
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Old enough to know what makes me happy and what doesn't.

You won't understand because to you "money in" is not everything. So I don't expect you to understand I simply said what I would do if it was me in your position.

It's a take it don't take it sort of a post.
 
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Thor187 said:
Too difficult to give advice, but this is what I would have done:

To me money is everything, fck what people say, the truth is money does buy happiness especially if your materialistic like me.

So if company B truly did some restructuring and the causes of the first issues are removed then I would move.

Biggest drawback , you'll most likely burn your bridge this time round so if company B fcks up again I doubt you'll be able to return to company A again.
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Best post of the century except for giving a crap about burning bridges. I would go where the money is more.
 
ambroseg1 said:
Left Company A to go to Company B because Company B was offering more money? YES. Hence my advice. Why else would I give advice I wouldn't follow?
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It's more like left A, went to B, came back to A and now considering an offer from B.

@genetic - do you even macrame, bro? :p
 
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