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Is the iPhone the one of the right? The noticeable difference is the FNB app. The others seem to be with how long it takes for data throughput to start. Interesting vid.
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iPhone is on the right

Takealot also loads slower - that's not data. The Apple guys say it is the fastest but RAM management / battery management / poor coding / developers is the limitation, hence it is slower. So fastest / slowest.

This Android came out about the time of the A12 - and here's a history of the progression of A series chips :

A12 - Apple states that the two high-performance cores are 15% faster and 50% more energy-efficient than the Apple A11's, and the four high-efficiency cores use 50% less power than the A11's

A13 - Apple states that the two high performance cores are 20% faster with 30% lower power consumption than the Apple A12's, and the four high efficiency cores are 20% faster with 40% lower power consumption than the A12's.

A14 - Apple states that the central processing unit (CPU) performs up to 40% faster than the A12, while the graphics processing unit (GPU) is up to 30% faster than the A12. It also includes a 16-core neural engine and new machine learning matrix accelerators that perform twice and ten times as fast

A15 - The A15 contains 15 billion transistors, a 27.1% increase from the A14's transistor count of 11.8 billion. It includes dedicated neural network hardware that Apple calls a new 16-core Neural Engine.[8] The Neural Engine can perform 15.8 trillion operations per second, faster than A14's 11 trillion operations per second (+ 43%).[8] The A15 also includes a new image processor (ISP) with improved computational photography capabilities.[9] Apple also boosted performance by doubling the system cache to 32MB
 
Dolby said:
It was stepped approach

  • I tried the navigating over and over, as well as opening apps and noted it
  • I then asked here why it was so - but was laughed at because, well, it's 500% faster
  • I then took a video to show it
  • I was then told it was RAM management / battery management / bad coding
  • Finally I was told that the A15 is only marginally slower and no one cares

* Android performance mode turned off

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Interesting video.

A couple of observations (and I'm genuinely not defending Apple here - in fact the performance of your Huawei Android is very impressive in the context of the relative ages of the two devices).

Given the speeds here, I slowed the video down to 0.25 to examine more closely what I seemed to be observing at 1x speed.

1. On your first click, your left finger (Android) clicks the YouTube icon fractionally faster than the right one - and YouTube appears to be usable fractionally quicker on the Android

2. Alexa: the speed difference appears to be remarkable (in favour of the Android) - I did notice that on the Apple, the entire menu of available functions appears at once while on the Android, the second menu item appears well after the others and fractionally before the entire Apple UI.

Could you share whether you could tap on and use the functions that appear before that last function pops onto the screen on the Android?

An an aside, you again appear to hit the icon fractionally quicker on the left (are you left handed by any chance)

3. Takealot: this time you hit the icon fractionally quicker with your right finger and yet the TA app appears to be usable quicker on the Android - even at .25 speed the difference is so fractionally small that I'm not sure it matters in real-world use outside of irritating you because you know that it's 'slower'

4. FNB: the banner at the top is indeed slower at rendering although the menu items seem to appear at the same time.

5. The video doesn't state whether you cold-started those apps - I can't replicate your 'slow' Takealot start on my phone except from a 'cold' start.
 
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And @Nike7 loves to tell everyone how it's faster than what anyone will be able to do for years .

You can't blame for expecting a bit more if my old phone was released at the same time as the A12 - and every generation is so much better than the last. I really did think A15 could at least do something other than benchmarking faster .

But that said, I may need to switch on Performance Mode on my Android when the A16 lands ;)
 
prod said:
Can we at least try to keep this discussion about the upcoming 14 - as per the thread title? Or must you try your best to destroy every thread you enter because you are starved for attention?
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I was tagged!

I'm just replying - but yea, let's keep on topic
 
AfricanTech said:
in fact the performance of your Huawei Android is very impressive in the context of the relative ages of the two devices).
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I'm keeping this thread on track, sorry .

But the above is exactly what I'm saying - I expected more from the A15 based on what I've read / heard / seen relative to 3 year old Android
 
AfricanTech said:
Interesting video.

A couple of observations (and I'm genuinely not defending Apple here - in fact the performance of your Huawei Android is very impressive in the context of the relative ages of the two devices).

Given the speeds here, I slowed the video down to 0.25 to examine more closely what I seemed to be observing at 1x speed.

1. On your first click, your left finger (Android) clicks the YouTube icon fractionally faster than the right one - and YouTube appears to be usable fractionally quicker on the Android

2. Alexa: the speed difference appears to be remarkable (in favour of the Android) - I did notice that on the Apple, the entire menu of available functions appears at once while on the Android, the second menu item appears well after the others and fractionally before the entire Apple UI.

Could you share whether you could tap on and use the functions that appear before that last function pops onto the screen on the Android?

An an aside, you again appear to hit the icon fractionally quicker on the left again (are you left handed by any chance)

3. Takealot: this time you hit the icon fractionally quicker with your right finger and yet the TA app appears to be usable quicker on the Android - even at .25 speed the difference is so fractionally small that I'm not sure it matters in real-world use outside of irritating you because you know that it's 'slower'

4. FNB: the banner at the top is indeed slower at rendering although the menu items seem to appear at the same time.

5. The video doesn't state whether you cold-started those apps - I can't replicate your 'slow' Takealot start on my phone except from a 'cold' start.
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It’s the aggressive memory management of iOS, it’s one way they get away with using less ram and power consumption. It only happens with a cold start yes. Like sleeping tabs on MS edge almost, but more advanced.
 
AfricanTech said:
Interesting video.

A couple of observations (and I'm genuinely not defending Apple here - in fact the performance of your Huawei Android is very impressive in the context of the relative ages of the two devices).

Given the speeds here, I slowed the video down to 0.25 to examine more closely what I seemed to be observing at 1x speed.

1. On your first click, your left finger (Android) clicks the YouTube icon fractionally faster than the right one - and YouTube appears to be usable fractionally quicker on the Android

2. Alexa: the speed difference appears to be remarkable (in favour of the Android) - I did notice that on the Apple, the entire menu of available functions appears at once while on the Android, the second menu item appears well after the others and fractionally before the entire Apple UI.

Could you share whether you could tap on and use the functions that appear before that last function pops onto the screen on the Android?

An an aside, you again appear to hit the icon fractionally quicker on the left again (are you left handed by any chance)

3. Takealot: this time you hit the icon fractionally quicker with your right finger and yet the TA app appears to be usable quicker on the Android - even at .25 speed the difference is so fractionally small that I'm not sure it matters in real-world use outside of irritating you because you know that it's 'slower'

4. FNB: the banner at the top is indeed slower at rendering although the menu items seem to appear at the same time.

5. The video doesn't state whether you cold-started those apps - I can't replicate your 'slow' Takealot start on my phone except from a 'cold' start.
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Suppose a slightly objective test would for some other person to do and post the test for us. For the naked eye Dolby's test looks objective even if he may not be.
 
Since you @Dolby decided to suddenly adhere to "not derailing" threads we can continue the discussion here.

AfricanTech said:
Interesting video.

A couple of observations (and I'm genuinely not defending Apple here - in fact the performance of your Huawei Android is very impressive in the context of the relative ages of the two devices).

Given the speeds here, I slowed the video down to 0.25 to examine more closely what I seemed to be observing at 1x speed.

1. On your first click, your left finger (Android) clicks the YouTube icon fractionally faster than the right one - and YouTube appears to be usable fractionally quicker on the Android

2. Alexa: the speed difference appears to be remarkable (in favour of the Android) - I did notice that on the Apple, the entire menu of available functions appears at once while on the Android, the second menu item appears well after the others and fractionally before the entire Apple UI.

Could you share whether you could tap on and use the functions that appear before that last function pops onto the screen on the Android?

An an aside, you again appear to hit the icon fractionally quicker on the left (are you left handed by any chance)

3. Takealot: this time you hit the icon fractionally quicker with your right finger and yet the TA app appears to be usable quicker on the Android - even at .25 speed the difference is so fractionally small that I'm not sure it matters in real-world use outside of irritating you because you know that it's 'slower'

4. FNB: the banner at the top is indeed slower at rendering although the menu items seem to appear at the same time.

5. The video doesn't state whether you cold-started those apps - I can't replicate your 'slow' Takealot start on my phone except from a 'cold' start.
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Dolby said:
I'm keeping this thread on track, sorry .

But the above is exactly what I'm saying - I expected more from the A15 based on what I've read / heard / seen relative to 3 year old Android
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Nike7 said:
Huh?
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Apple don't want to fixate on specs - they care about the end result - right?
That's what you've always told me ?

Is the end result of the A15 similar the an old Android in most cases?
Is the end result of the A15 worse than an old Android in some cases?

I don't care about frequencies / benchmarks / cache / transistors / efficiency - I care about the end result and whether it delivers or not .

It's the same stupid argument about batteries back in the day when the iPhone was just average. Other batteries lasted 8hrs and the iPhone did 'just' 7hrs - but iPhone users would soon point to the battery capacity and amazing efficiency at extracting that 7hrs. But who cares ? My battery lasts 1hr more and I don't care how it's done?

Whether they need a 1,000, 3,000 or 5,000mah battery - who cares ?

Think about the end result
 
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Let me rather ask you something .

You said it's years ahead of anything the competition can do, right ?
In terms of what exactly ?

Let's be dead honest - the majority of people run things like Facebook / Instagram / Mail / WhatsApp / Uber / LinkedIn.

What benefit are they going to have the fastest chip the world has ever laid its eyes on, especially once the evil developers purposely sabotage apps and the aggressive battery management kicks in to bottleneck ? Where will they see the benefit ?
 
And @Nike7 the same can be said of anything - take the camera .

I don't care that Apple use a 12MP sensor and that everyone else uses a 50MP sensor.
I don't care what technology or computational photography they are doing
I don't care what happens in the background

At the end of the day I care about the result - and the best cameras are pretty much some sort of Android flagship (Huawei / Honor / Xaiomi)- and I don't care how it is done. Yes, Apple have done some amazing things with only 12MP and they are fantastic at extracting as much as possible. But I'm not interested in 'the most efficient' in the world - I'm interested in the best end result
 
Dolby said:
Let me rather ask you something .

You said it's years ahead of anything the competition can do, right ?
In terms of what exactly ?

Let's be dead honest - the majority of people run things like Facebook / Instagram / Mail / WhatsApp / Uber / LinkedIn.
True. For those people, it just means they can hold on to their phones a longer before it lags and stutters, more processing can be done on-device for privacy’s sake, and they get more of the latest OS features for longer because the processor can keep up, like the new stickers thing in iOS16. Those things matter over time, as you will discover over the years. You’re still a green Apple. It also means the battery lasts longer, as the A15 finishes what it needs to do lightning fast and then goes back to sleep. Why do you think Google is hesitant to commit to 5 years of OS updates? Because they know the SoCs won’t keep up.
What benefit are they going to have the fastest chip the world has ever laid its eyes on, especially once the evil developers purposely sabotage apps and the aggressive battery management kicks in to bottleneck ? Where will they see the benefit ? I never said anything about evil developers , did I ? Someone else, maybe. It’s aggressive ram management, the battery benefit is a side effect. It doesn’t slow down the processor one jot, it just creates some latency when starting an app cold, as I’ve said before. You realise that 99% of what your processor does happens after the software has loaded? I don’t know why you can’t understand that.
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Response in blue.
 
@AfricanTech

The results shouldn't be so close that a fraction of a second in touch would be difference considering how the A series has come over the past few years ? Remember that Android was released when A12 was around. Again, I just expected more
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* Apple states that the two high-performance cores are 15% faster and 50% more energy-efficient than the Apple A11's, and the four high-efficiency cores use 50% less power than the A11
* Apple states that the two high performance cores are 20% faster with 30% lower power consumption than the Apple A12's, and the four high efficiency cores are 20% faster with 40% lower power consumption than the A12's
* A14 is capable of delivering up to 11 Trillions of operations per second. So, the AI performance of the iPhone 12 processor with the A14 chip is going to be 83% more than the A13 chip
* A15 contains 15 billion transistors, a 27.1% increase from the A14's transistor count of 11.8 billion. It includes dedicated neural network hardware that Apple calls a new 16-core Neural Engine. The Neural Engine can perform 15.8 trillion operations per second, faster than A14's 11 trillion operations per second (+ 43%)
 
@AfricanTech

Here's another video with a newer Huawei (2020) vs iPhone (2021).

Again - based on everything I've heard about the A series chip, I expected more. This Huawei should compete with an A14 - and here it's smashing the iPhone which is years ahead of anything ? And I remind you I care about the end result.

 
Dolby said:
@AfricanTech

The results shouldn't be so close that a fraction of a second in touch would be difference considering how the A series has come over the past few years ? Remember that Android was released when A12 was around. Again, I just expected more
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* Apple states that the two high-performance cores are 15% faster and 50% more energy-efficient than the Apple A11's, and the four high-efficiency cores use 50% less power than the A11
* Apple states that the two high performance cores are 20% faster with 30% lower power consumption than the Apple A12's, and the four high efficiency cores are 20% faster with 40% lower power consumption than the A12's
* A14 is capable of delivering up to 11 Trillions of operations per second. So, the AI performance of the iPhone 12 processor with the A14 chip is going to be 83% more than the A13 chip
* A15 contains 15 billion transistors, a 27.1% increase from the A14's transistor count of 11.8 billion. It includes dedicated neural network hardware that Apple calls a new 16-core Neural Engine. The Neural Engine can perform 15.8 trillion operations per second, faster than A14's 11 trillion operations per second (+ 43%)
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This is like saying if Stephen Hawking is so smart, why can’t he bench as much as Arnie?

The A series is not responsible for loading apps into memory.
 
Nike7 said:
The A series is not responsible for loading apps into memory.
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Yes - so it's years ahead but slower ?
We agree ? Right ?
AMG vs M3 ?

Doe anything ring a bell ?
 
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