Absurd cPanel license price increase

If you are using Plesk on windows, the same pricing change will more than likely follow.
Both cPanel and Plesk are owned by Oakley Capital, Along with SolusVM, Acronis and WHMCS.
Fortunately we dont use Plesk and gladly so.

When we investigated a new control panel we needed one that supported a multi tenant environment rather than everything hosted on one box scenario, and a solution that was not owned by Parallels (back then).

We decided on SolidCP as checked all the boxes and we were able to contribute to the development and customize it to our needs.

I wonder if there are any up-and-coming price hikes planned for whmcs
 
No hate from me. :laugh: KonsoleH not exactly as nice as cPanel to use.

Off the top of your head, do you have any estimate as to what sort of per domain fee resellers would be looking at?
shhhh - dont put any ideas out there
 
Well if Domains is going to charge resellers R3.50 per account, that's surely not a big deal.

@Murmaider On an unrelated note, what do you think of a service like Cloudbric? Hetzner sells the R150pm addon to seemingly everyone, and the Cloudbric website looks pretty convincing. Is this type of addon something Domains has considered or thinks is worth the money?

In simple terms using your example, if the reseller has 162 accounts in cpanel, it would be R3.50 * 162 = R567 p/m as an additional cost. With a reseller who is already paying R499 per month, simply increasing their cost to R1066 is not an ideal solution in my opinion. We evaluating various options at the moment (PR generic responsive for now :) )

I see Cloudbric is much to same as Cloudflare, cWatch, Sitelock and other CDN / WAF / Scanning service and we test these services regularly on our side

Disclaimer: This is my opinion based on the research and testing we have done and do constantly.

A WAF is simply mod_security with rulesets, it can be implemented locally on a web server and perform the same tasks as these service providers (which is what we do). In most cases we have found their rulesets to be lacking (Cloudbric only has 26 preset rules), this however differs between providers.

We have found services like this to actually make fast websites, slower (unless you already have a very slow website or hosting provider).

If a web server is setup correctly, you have the right caching and it's serving pages quickly, these services will not increase the speed of the site, but rather slow it down. There are plenty of articles on the internet regarding this.

If however you website is not only serving the local market, but also the international market, then a CDN service like this makes sense.

The DDoS protection aspect of these services are sometimes hit or miss.
There are enough tools on the internet to determine the actual web servers IP behind a reverse proxy like cloudflare, cloudbric etc. (a simple example, look up the mail.<domain> record as most people host their email on the same server as their website).

In a proper, orchestrated DDoS attack, they will bypass these services and attack the web server directly. If they can't get to that, they will aim for the router / firewall in front of the web server. Keep in mind, a lot of these service providers will also only mitigate an attack up to a certain volume or period of time.

The only real solution we have found to this is using DDoS scrubbing centers around the world using BGP via a GRE tunnel. This involves monitoring for DDoS attacks, when they occur, advertise the /24 to the scrubbing centers around the world, forcing the DDoS traffic to the IP range to go to the closest scrubbing center, get cleaned and sent back to the hosting provider via the GRE tunnel. Guys like Imperva offer this service.

In saying the above, If you find one of these WAF/CDN solutions work for you and speed up your website, then great, stick with it. I would prefer Cloudflare over Cloudbric, but that's a personal opinion.

This post is completely off topic :D
 
In simple terms using your example, if the reseller has 162 accounts in cpanel, it would be R3.50 * 162 = R567 p/m as an additional cost. With a reseller who is already paying R499 per month, simply increasing their cost to R1066 is not an ideal solution in my opinion. We evaluating various options at the moment (PR generic responsive for now :) )

I see Cloudbric is much to same as Cloudflare, cWatch, Sitelock and other CDN / WAF / Scanning service and we test these services regularly on our side

Disclaimer: This is my opinion based on the research and testing we have done and do constantly.

A WAF is simply mod_security with rulesets, it can be implemented locally on a web server and perform the same tasks as these service providers (which is what we do). In most cases we have found their rulesets to be lacking (Cloudbric only has 26 preset rules), this however differs between providers.

We have found services like this to actually make fast websites, slower (unless you already have a very slow website or hosting provider).

If a web server is setup correctly, you have the right caching and it's serving pages quickly, these services will not increase the speed of the site, but rather slow it down. There are plenty of articles on the internet regarding this.

If however you website is not only serving the local market, but also the international market, then a CDN service like this makes sense.

The DDoS protection aspect of these services are sometimes hit or miss.
There are enough tools on the internet to determine the actual web servers IP behind a reverse proxy like cloudflare, cloudbric etc. (a simple example, look up the mail.<domain> record as most people host their email on the same server as their website).

In a proper, orchestrated DDoS attack, they will bypass these services and attack the web server directly. If they can't get to that, they will aim for the router / firewall in front of the web server. Keep in mind, a lot of these service providers will also only mitigate an attack up to a certain volume or period of time.

The only real solution we have found to this is using DDoS scrubbing centers around the world using BGP via a GRE tunnel. This involves monitoring for DDoS attacks, when they occur, advertise the /24 to the scrubbing centers around the world, forcing the DDoS traffic to the IP range to go to the closest scrubbing center, get cleaned and sent back to the hosting provider via the GRE tunnel. Guys like Imperva offer this service.

In saying the above, If you find one of these WAF/CDN solutions work for you and speed up your website, then great, stick with it. I would prefer Cloudflare over Cloudbric, but that's a personal opinion.

This post is completely off topic :D

This is an awesome reply. Much appreciated, and glad to be a Domains customer. :thumbsup:
 
DirectAdmin seems to be the next best based on comments on other boards and theirs pricing is extremely attractive.
 
In simple terms using your example, if the reseller has 162 accounts in cpanel, it would be R3.50 * 162 = R567 p/m as an additional cost. With a reseller who is already paying R499 per month, simply increasing their cost to R1066 is not an ideal solution in my opinion. We evaluating various options at the moment (PR generic responsive for now :) )

But surely that would still mean that the reseller only has to pass on an xtra R 3.50 cost to each account...i.e. client?

Or am I misunderstanding?
 
/sub'd

For a lot of people like me who have a website for the custom domain name on email, not really using the website (but keep ownership in case it may be used in future), this will mean a higher monthly price? Then I will have to rethink whether it's worth it.

Are you using the cPanel Hosting for mail accounts on that Domain, or merely parking it for using the Domain for something like Online Exchange?

For that you do not need any Hosting at all...
 
Utter madness. I suspect that this is only the beginning of increased charges from the Oakley crowd. When this price increase happens we will have to pass on the cost to end users. We are too heavily invested in cPanel, WHM, and WHMCS to consider any alternative at this point.
 
Are you using the cPanel Hosting for mail accounts on that Domain, or merely parking it for using the Domain for something like Online Exchange?

For that you do not need any Hosting at all...
I use the domain for email accounts, but the webpage itself is just static (reserved for future use). Still, the whole thing (email accounts and static webpage) is controlled by myself using the cPanel interface.
 
What's happening to lifetime licenses? I know 2 hosts in SA that own lifetime licenses.
 
WHMCS already changed from an unlimited license model to a tiered pricing structure based on the number of active clients within WHMCS a while ago. I am now limited to 50 accounts, but that was more than ample for my personal needs and did not have any cost implications at the time.

Now, with this change, I expect an increase in my monthly costs and would not mind switching over to directadmin or whatever alternative my host is looking at. This is taking it too far. Would gladly bin cpanel/whm/whmcs now.
 
This is absurd. Get your customer base dependent and then hike prices multifold. What all monopolies eventually do. This is why I like going with the little guys or the relatively less common options.
 
What's happening to lifetime licenses? I know 2 hosts in SA that own lifetime licenses.
Presume that you're referring to whmcs?
If so then they lifetime license remains active, how ever they bill you annually for support and upgrades
 
Presume that you're referring to whmcs?
If so then they lifetime license remains active, how ever they bill you annually for support and upgrades
Nope, cPanel. cPanel offered lifetime licenses way back. They came with a 2 year support package. After 2 years you would pay annually for support only, which was not mandatory. You'd still get updates even though you didn't have an active support plan.

Edit:

One Time License
One time licenses are currently priced at USD $1250.00 This includes one year of basic support, as well as free upgrades for two years, or to any newer version of cPanel (whichever is longer). Please contact [email protected] for more information. If you obtained a coupon for this offer, please be sure to mention it in your email to billing. Additional years of support can be added for $200. Additonal years of updates can be added for USD $300.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050211030058/http://www.cpanel.net/dist.cgi
 
Nope, cPanel. cPanel offered lifetime licenses way back. They came with a 2 year support package. After 2 years you would pay annually for support only, which was not mandatory. You'd still get updates even though you didn't have an active support plan.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20050211030058/http://www.cpanel.net/dist.cgi

From my understanding, when they up for annual support renewal they will be converted to monthly licences or at least the support cost will be calculated based on cpanel accounts on the license.
 
Lovely capitalism, many investment funds are like sharks hunting for prey, I have seen this same story over and over, across many industries.

It's a common tactic, amongst many others of dubious nature, to find a company with a captive market that they believe can take being price gouged, buy them out and then radically hike the prices. Everyone up in arms but nothing you can do but cough up and take it without lube, sorry folks but Oaktree has got you over a barrel.

Unfortunately it's become a prevalent way of doing business, focus on short term profit taking, long term repercussions of price gouging the customer will be someone else's problem/who cares the company has been milked already.

They must have seen a goldmine when they discovered how widespread and deeply embedded cPanel was, for interest sake have they given any motivation for the increases?
 
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