Academics 'queuing to quit SA'

[JimmyRott]

When there is no pulse, you’re already dead. (figuratively speaking)
No country will grant you immigration status in a hurry in that case, educated or not.

The way most foreign embassies of 1st world nations work is they are given a quota of immigrants they may process in a year.

This means that even if they have people who qualify today, they must wait in the queue until their number comes up.

Queues for South Africans are getting longer and longer as more and more people apply for permanent residence visas.

For instance, Australia currently has a three to four year waiting list. Canada has a 18-month to two year waiting list.

As more and more people leave SA, which WILL HAPPEN, the queues will become even more longer.

When the pulse is dead, the queues will be so long, you will run the real risk of waiting for ever, or never being able to leave. Each person leaving means they have either closed a business which paid tax and employed people, or they were gainfully employed tax-payers.

There are only 3.2 million tax-payers in SA, a country with close to 56 million people. These tax-payers are generally those with higher education, own businesses, and who are the ones looking abroad.

Then the geese who lay the golden eggs take fight, there is less life-supporting blood in the system.

Think about that.

That is just wrong. With the right degree you can be in Aus with a PR visa within months. The longest part of the process is getting the unabridged birth certificate.

 

[Ryansta]

That is just wrong. With the right degree you can be in Aus with a PR visa within months. The longest part of the process is getting the unabridged birth certificate.

Not all jobs require a degree(I got a 189 visa without a degree). You need to be on the skills list and prove the skill to the necessary department. For example the Australian Computer Society(ACS) does the assessments for computer skills.
Basically you need to be on the skills list really, SOL(189 visa) or CSOL(190 visa)

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

Not all jobs require a degree(I got a 189 visa without a degree). You need to be on the skills list and prove the skill to the necessary department. For example the Australian Computer Society(ACS) does the assessments for computer skills.
Basically you need to be on the skills list really, SOL(189 visa) or CSOL(190 visa)

Yeah, I have been trying to get this point across. Just about anyone in a "tradie" job should be able to get in.

 

[The Voice]

Not all jobs require a degree(I got a 189 visa without a degree). You need to be on the skills list and prove the skill to the necessary department. For example the Australian Computer Society(ACS) does the assessments for computer skills.
Basically you need to be on the skills list really, SOL(189 visa) or CSOL(190 visa)

Quite right. Friends of mine applied for NZ immigration visas in July. They're packed up and flying out at the end of the month with their 2-year old son. They both work in digital media.

 

[cguy]

Not all jobs require a degree(I got a 189 visa without a degree). You need to be on the skills list and prove the skill to the necessary department. For example the Australian Computer Society(ACS) does the assessments for computer skills.
Basically you need to be on the skills list really, SOL(189 visa) or CSOL(190 visa)

I remember reading through this list years ago. Quite interesting - crane operators, to elevator technicians. Plenty of obscure jobs that require specialized skills, that aren't necessarily related to a particular degree.

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

It is staggering that a snob like you could ever live in SA. NZ healthcare is indeed better until they deport you for using it.


And how is leaving go to improve poverty?


There is nothing wrong with our schools

:crylaugh:

 

[zll]

Have two family members in academia. One I am not worried about. Highly gifted and highly skilled mech engineer who can triple his salary if he walks into private industry. One I am slightly worried about. Gifted teacher and has worked in education her whole life. She'll probably stick with this mess even once things go to **** because she is a bleeding heart :/

 

[zll]

Well that's one long wait, 2019 is the election right?
A lot could happen between now and then (referring to irreversible damage)

I think we'll see something (hopefully positive) happen at the 2017 ANC meeting.

 

[JerryMungo]

I think we'll see something (hopefully positive) happen at the 2017 ANC meeting.

The ANC would make a great opposition party. They don't do service delivery but are great at protesting and activism.

 

[Crabby]

Yes.

People think that it is just academics that are accepted but there is a huge demand for chefs, plumbers, electricians, fitters and turners, etc.

Not in my case, but I have lack of degree and age isn't on my side unfortunately.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I think we'll see something (hopefully positive) happen at the 2017 ANC meeting.

Yeah, I think a fair chunk of stuff will happen then.

We also have Thuli's interim report to look forward to today or tomorrow.

 

[TrelliPaste]

https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/co...1=Cape+Town&country2=Australia&city2=Canberra
https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/co...=Sydney&country2=South+Africa&city2=Cape+Town

Anyone who has lived in Cape Town will tell you how disgusting the air gets under the inversion layer in Winter. Some days you can't see the mountain from Durbanville.

Interesting stats. I know what you mean wrt the inversion layer. Luckily my place is up on a hill in Bellville, but I think it will only get worse overall with the growth of the informal settlements.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

The ANC would make a great opposition party. They don't do service delivery but are great at protesting and activism.

They're the opposition in the Western Cape, and they're just as awful at that.

 

[Solarion]

I have to stay here for now but I have one year left then I'll be out of here.

 

[Knyro]

I have to stay here for now but I have one year left then I'll be out of here.

Mind telling us where you're going?

 

[BBSA]

What happened the Homecoming Revolution?

 

[d0b33]

What happened the Homecoming Revolution?

Is it not Pan-African now? not only for South Africans?

 

[HavocXphere]

What happened the Homecoming Revolution?

People are still returning. Mate of mine is returning in Jan. Another did couple months ago.

Mostly people that never intended it to be permanent in the first place though

 

[^^vampire^^]

And this is the part that bites.

Those of us who couldn't afford varsity are stuck as trying to get enough EoI points without a degree is damn difficult.

Enjoy it when you get there.

I'm sending 40 CVs a week to both NZ and AUS and I can't even get a positive response.

Good luck I honestly hope it works out for you. I had my PR Visa and was applying from SA and of about 50 or 60 applications only 2 places got back to me. One said they will interview me when I arrive, the other I did Skype interview and they said I'm the perfect candidate but won't hire me because I'm not in Aus currently. It's extremely hard and with a pool of well qualified candidates everywhere in Aus they no longer need to employ people from overseas as they were doing 10+ years ago. Good luck and keep trying, I know it's a complicated situation to be in. When you get here though all the hard work is well worth it.

 

[^^vampire^^]

The funny thing is that I don't have a degree at all, I work in IT for one of the big companies and took a position in Denmark. There are many ways to solve the problem, even if you are a blue collar worker a lot of the countries make it very easy.

Ironically enough here the pay disparity is very small and I still find it very strange that someone who sweeps the streets for a living has his hair cut at the same place I do, that my friend is what South Africa should be aiming for.

It would seem to me that balancing the workforce is the key. The biggest problem is that SA has a huge amount of labour class workers and so landscaping executive and personal home cleansing specialist are a dime a dozen, hence pushing the demand down and availability of alternatives up. In this type of situation someone willing to take the least always wins. In most developed countries this has been stomped out, everyone is on an equal footing education wise etc and most people then choose what they want to do. People that struggle mentally will most likely go into a trade and those that are academically inclined will take a desk job. There will be some that enjoy doing one or the other but the work force will most likely be somewhat balanced allowing you to let everyone earn the same amount.