Acid attack victim commits suicide

[sparticus]

I never said one shouldn't use violence to defend yourself and those you are obligated to protect. You should. In that example you should do everything you can to stop that man hurting those you are obligated to protect.

That is an entirely different scenario to what you have been talking about though.



No you already said you had subdued the man and taken him out into the yard. You then proceeded to beat the schit out of him. Why beat someone that poses no threat to you? I can see no purpose but revenge.



Your OCD is no reason to lose yourself to your emotions and beat the crap out of someone that poses no threat to you. You assaulted that man. Once you had the knife away from him and had subdued him you should have called the police and let justice take it's course. Instead you chose to assault him.

You commited a crime. A very serious one. There is no excuse.



Sure there are differences. The fact still remains though that just like the acid guy you are advocating unnecessary violence. You didn't need to beat that man but you did it anyway. You just assume that your reasons are valid while his are invalid. Both of you are breaking the law and infringing on the human rights of other people in a totally unnecessary manner and you both desperately deserve jailtime.



Justice systems aren't always swift and fair. When did I claim this?

and of course you are going meh that is impossible. If you thought it was possible you wouldn't have resorted to beating the schit out of the man instead of letting justice have it's course.

Lastly How dare you tell me that I am the same as the idiot ? Who died and made you the custodian of all things fair ?[p/quote]
Nobody. Unlike acid-man and yourself I don't think I have a right to pass judgement over and administer penalties to people. That is the role of our society's justice system. Both you and acid-man need to be locked up to protect society from your blatant disregard for human rights.



Nope. Was it your family at risk when you had the man subdued in your yard? Nope. Which is my point.



He did. However once you had him in the yard subdued he no longer posed a threat. Duh.



Sure but you did assault him after he was subdued. You yourself said you moered the schit out of him. That was unneccessary. You decided that the man wronged you and then you decided on your own penalty instead of letting the justice system handle it. That is exactly what acid man did.

You are a hypocrite.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. We can go on and on and on about this. The fact is this was my reaction , I did what I did and I dont seek approval from anyone. Name calling will get u nowhere and shows you maturity. You can call me what you want m,, I for instance think u a box but I bet it wont matter to you. So jaa. Go back under that rock in that fantasy world u live and give my regards to the Necromonger's

 

[porchrat]

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. We can go on and on and on about this.

LOL why would I need ot sleep better at night? I didn't do it.

The fact is this was my reaction , I did what I did and I dont seek approval from anyone. Name calling will get u nowhere and shows you maturity.

This isn't about immaturity or name calling. That is what you are. You deride this man for his actions and yet at the fundamental level you perform the same actions justifying it with the same principles just in a different scenario. You are a hypocrite.

Calling you a "dick" would be immature. That is needless unsubstantiated namecalling. That you are a hypocrite is just logic. That is what you are. You may not like it but I think you are going to battle to find the error in my logic if you try.

You can call me what you want m,, I for instance think u a box but I bet it wont matter to you. So jaa. Go back under that rock in that fantasy world u live and give my regards to the Necromonger's

I don't think this was proper English and I have no idea what you are saying. I think you just called me "a box". I have no idea why you would do that.


EDIT: Don't try to hide behind the "I was defending my family" excuse. I applaud you for defending your family. You got that knife away from that man and you subdued him to prevent him going for them again. Good on you. You protected your family and you were well within your rights to do so.

However once you had done that you decided to take it further. You then assaulted him. At that point your family was already safe. You didn't assault that man to protect your family, you did it to exact revenge for what you perceived as a wrong against you. sounds familiar... sounds like acid man.

 

[sparticus]

sjoe hows that weather we having today hey ?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Wow, some people obviously don't care for their loved ones safety ........ your post is the one that is weird here Porchrat. Most people would be overcome with emotion and be justified in wanting to exact some revenge. You obviously have not been in the situation so cannot, in my opinion, judge what 99% of what others would and have done, myself included. You could smile at your childs rapist/murderer and then feed and clothe the fsck for the next ten years, I prefer to teach him a lesson, thanks.

 

[unskinnybob]

You deserve a prison sentence. You assaulted a man unnecessarily. You were safe and your family was safe and yet you decided to beat this man even though at that point he presented no threat whatsoever to you or your family. Are you proud of this act? If so I say again that you are no better than this individual discussed in the article.

Are you kidding? Do you watch the news? Do you know what the conviction rate is?

I catch someone in my house, late at night, armed with a knife, he'll turn up missing the next morning.

 

[porchrat]

Wow, some people obviously don't care for their loved ones safety

I would never and have never claimed that you don't have the right to defend your family. If anything I've said the exact opposite multiple times in this thread alone. You have an English comprehension issue mate?

........ your post is the one that is weird here Porchrat. Most people would be overcome with emotion and be justified in wanting to exact some revenge. You obviously have not been in the situation so cannot, in my opinion, judge what 99% of what others would and have done, myself included.

You have no idea what I have and have not experienced. I would thank you not to speculate thanks.

You could smile at your childs rapist/murderer and then feed and clothe the fsck for the next ten years, I prefer to teach him a lesson, thanks.

Then by believing you have a right to teach that individual a lesson for what you believe is a wrong against you you are no better than acid man. You direct needless violence against those that you perceive to have wronged you just as acid man does.

 

[killadoob]

This is not about religion, its about a man wanting domination over a woman. Islam has alot of that though.

Islam is all about men dominating women bud. It's part of their religion.

Look at Christians and people who are not religious, women are pretty much equal now. It's only the islamic world that deems females to be inferior.

The reason they are inferior is because the religion dictates it be that way.

Most people who don't have a religion won't think they are better than females because there is no amazing unseen GOD telling them anything. There is no GOD saying anything just some book that claims to be the word of whatever GOD.

 

[porchrat]

Are you kidding? Do you watch the news? Do you know what the conviction rate is?

I catch someone in my house, late at night, armed with a knife, he'll turn up missing the next morning.

Then you too would IMO deserve a prison sentence. You cannot go around murdering people because you think they deserve it.

 

[TheHiveMind]

Fk tht guy who came into the house with a knife. I hope he does have a limp for the rest of his life, that way committing crimes and fleeing crime scenes became a whole lot less viable. Typical liberal mindset of trying to turn the guy stalking around someone elses house with the knife, into a victim.

 

[porchrat]

Fk tht guy who came into the house with a knife. I hope he does have a limp for the rest of his life, that way committing crimes and fleeing crime scenes became a whole lot less viable. Typical liberal mindset of trying to turn the guy stalking around someone elses house with the knife into a victim.

He is a victim if he is bound and beaten.

Sure he did wrong and if he dies during a struggle in which you are protecting someone then that is one thing but to subdue someone to the point that they are no threat to you any longer or anyone else and then to beat them... what the heck is wrong with the individual that does that.

Do you really consider it right and good to beat a defenseless man? The only time violence is acceptable is when you are defending yourself. Otherwise you are just acid-man in another guise.

 

[Fader4]

Then you too would IMO deserve a prison sentence. You cannot go around murdering people because you think they deserve it.

Lets see if your tune stays the same if one of your loved ones is raped or murdered. Some of us live in the real world where real s%#t happens, i for one would do anything to protect my loved ones, if that means i have to kill or hurt someone then so be it. Civilized philosophies and principles like "justice" are great, only problem is criminals dont play by the rules, when we play by the rules we tend to loose. Anyway, enjoy your high horse.

 

[porchrat]

We cannot live in a world in which individuals think they have the right to enact penalties upon others.

If you believe that your actions are justified then you must accept that when someone wants to enact penalties upon you at their discretion then that too is justified.

So for example if you cut someone off on the street and they think that is a justification for a beatdown then they can (by your logic) manouvre you off the road, pull you from your vehicle and beat the schit out of you. You have decided that a beatdown is an acceptable punishment for breaking into your house with a knife just as that individual has decided it is an acceptable punishment for you cutting him off.

The principle is the same and you must therefore admit that he has the right to beat the schit out of you because you have already decided that individuals should be allowed to decide on the appropriate punishment.

 

[unskinnybob]

Then you too would IMO deserve a prison sentence. You cannot go around murdering people because you think they deserve it.

You live in a fairytale world.

Those who would take away the human rights of others (what else is the guy going to do with a knife in a house in the dark of night while the house hold is sleeping? Chop an onion???) deserve no human rights.

 

[porchrat]

Lets see if your tune stays the same if one of your loved ones is raped or murdered. Some of us live in the real world where real s%#t happens

Once again you have no idea what I have and have not experienced. You merely assume things. If you are going to do that then rather don't comment at all.

i for one would do anything to protect my loved ones, if that means i have to kill or hurt someone then so be it.

I agree you should do everything in your power to protect those you are obligated to protect. I'm not talking about that. I'm saying AFTER you have subdued the attacker and he no longer poses a threat THEN you start beating him. That act has nothing to do with protected your family.

Please actually read what I am saying instead of commenting on something I never said. Honestly I think I have now repeated this sentiment often enough that you should be aware that I am not saying you shouldn't hurt someone or even kill them in the process of saving your loved ones or yourself.

Civilized philosophies and principles like "justice" are great, only problem is criminals dont play by the rules, when we play by the rules we tend to loose. Anyway, enjoy your high horse.

No you can keep your family safe while still playing by the rules. Nowhere in our law does it say you are not permitted ot defend yourself or those you are obligated to protect. Quite the contrary actually.

 

[porchrat]

You live in a fairytale world.

Those who would take away the human rights of others (what else is the guy going to do with a knife in a house in the dark of night while the house hold is sleeping? Chop an onion???) deserve no human rights.

Of course the man intended harm. However once you have subdued him he is no longer capable of visiting harm upon you. If you at that point decide to beat this now helpless individual then in that act you have descended to his level.

 

[unskinnybob]

I agree you should do everything in your power to protect those you are obligated to protect. I'm not talking about that. I'm saying AFTER you have subdued the attacker and he no longer poses a threat THEN you start beating him. That act has nothing to do with protected your family.

Better to leave him to return with friends another night and finish the job.

 

[unskinnybob]

Of course the man intended harm. However once you have subdued him he is no longer capable of visiting harm upon you. If you at that point decide to beat this now helpless individual then in that act you have descended to his level.

I didn't break into his place of residence armed.

 

[porchrat]

I didn't break into his place of residence armed.

uh... I never said you did.

The point still stands that when you have him helpless and at your mercy and you decide to assault him what you are doing is not protecting your family, you are beating a helpless man. That is the act of a criminal, not a responsible human being.

The fact that he intended to do something bad to you is totally irrelevant.

 

[porchrat]

And yet if we look at this specific case individually, that beatdown was justified.

No there is no "individually". There is the principle you are agreeing to by claiming your act was justified. You are claiming that individuals can determine penalties at their discretion. That means it is also justifiable for an individual to beat you to a pulp for cutting him off in traffic. Same principle.

The only way it wasn't, was if the guys doing the beat down could actually see themselves breaking into someone elses house with knife in hand, and not feeling like they deserve getting fkd up because of it.

No the only way it wasn't justifiable was if beating a helpless man was a terrible act... oh wait... it is.

 

[unskinnybob]

uh... I never said you did.

You compared my actions to his. The two are not the same. I never premeditated any violent act.

The point still stands that when you have him helpless and at your mercy and you decide to assault him what you are doing is not protecting your family, you are beating a helpless man.

What would you do?

The fact that he intended to do something bad to you is totally irrelevant.

It isn't irrelevant. The fact that he failed is irrelevant.

Please run your story by one of the few surviving rape victims who lost a significant other in similar housebreaks.