Addiction advice thread

There are "rules" at NA /AA....The reason I didn't go and the reason NA didn't work for me is because it has strong religious ties to christianity....

Yep, recommended a few people away from the AA/NA.

Very biased in "your are weak, you are useless without God, Repent for your sins etc"

Does not work unless you are a bible believing person, notwithstanding we will break you and prove you are uselss crap.

That Orange Papers (only had time to read first essay) seems about right to me.

People who sign up either,

1. relapse
2. get caught up in the "propaganda" (1%??)

Reminds me of Scientology self awareness/improvement. Don't get me started on other organised religions.:mad:

As Orange papers point out (Harvard Medical Study), not the highest success rates of programs/non programs studied.

BTW, BipolarDude.ADHD, awesome dude, well on your courage and strong inner spirit. Long may it continue.

I assume you have to fall in love with your life and body again, its a full on life style change. Attitude, outlook, diet, habits, friends, work satisfaction etc.

Not the holy one.

Your body is the Holy one.;)
 
Complete lifestyle change...but its a change for the better!! Just gone seven years and still going strong!!! Ten years just around the corner:D
 
That article is rediculous. Biased statistics. Like getting a jewish rabbi to give an honest review on Pork fillet with a crayfish starter.

I come from a hEaVy partying background as a youngster with every drug you can think of and to my surprise NA is the only thing that helped (after many visits to rehab) many of my mates who couldn't get out and grow up. Granted, one of them will not hang around non NA people after being a bit 'brainwashed' but these guys would be dead otherwise. Now they are all clean 5-10 years. I don't personally buy into the 12 step doctrine as a reliable cure but I have seen it work wonders in many. Some people just grow up. Some need Methadone, some need God, some need rehab but some need NA.

Methodone is a short term solution used primarilly to ween an addict off heroin...The most important thing for me was my Mom...She never gave up on me and supported me all the way...Some people need the steps of an NA or AA...But most importantly the addict MUST WANT to be clean...As for the family and friends of an addict ...well...as painfull as it will get...tough love is key...And never ever abandon the addict...there is always hope.
 
THE RITALIN MENACE!!!!

It is a commonly known fact that people abuse Ritalin. The reason it has not become an epedemic is two fold:

1.It's damn expensive!
2.It's a schedule 6 drug and is governed by strict laws.

However.........

It is so easy to get a script and the only people that are careful and watchfull are the pharmacists.

Getting a script is easy:

"Hi Doctor...I was diagnosed with ADHD by my psychiatrist and he put me on this daily dose of Ritalin....However...I can't afford to go to him every month and see him...could you help me out?"

The doctor doesn't even question you and writes your script...then says that you can merely call him when you need a script and he'll write it for you...You don't even have to see the doctor.....

So scripts are easy to come by and if one was so incline one could have 3 or 4 doctors writing you scripts every month....

Ritalin is no longer expensive due to the fact that numerous companies have released the generic which comes in at less than half the price....Getting the scripts from the pharmacies...not that difficult....4 doctors, 4 pharmacies...All the addict has to do is make sure that the pharmacies aren't all linked via a franchise or "scriptnet"....so...1 x Clicks pharmacy...1x Link pharmacy...1 x small one man show pharmacy...and 1 x phamcare pharmacy.....

It has become way too easy to get Ritalin and I won't be suprised if we don't start hearing more and more about Ritalin addiction...
The leaflet in the Ritalin box even states that it should not be given to patients with a drug abuse history....Hmmm
 
It is a commonly known fact that people abuse Ritalin. The reason it has not become an epedemic is two fold:

1.It's damn expensive!
2.It's a schedule 6 drug and is governed by strict laws.

However.........

It is so easy to get a script and the only people that are careful and watchfull are the pharmacists.

Getting a script is easy:

"Hi Doctor...I was diagnosed with ADHD by my psychiatrist and he put me on this daily dose of Ritalin....However...I can't afford to go to him every month and see him...could you help me out?"

Hey, that's exactly what i say to my doctor! Geez, bpd, you're talking around a huge problem that the medical industry happily perpetuates because of GREED. Do you know what the average hour-long psychiatrist appointment costs? One Thousand Five Hundred Rand. Now maybe you have this sort of money lying around and can afford a monthly follow-up psychiatrist appointment, but for the vast majority of people this is not an option.

When i say to my doctor, I have a script for x from a psych, it is too expensive for me to go back, please repeat script, i'm telling the truth.
 
When i say to my doctor, I have a script for x from a psych, it is too expensive for me to go back, please repeat script, i'm telling the truth.

As do I...I pay R30 for my scripts...I just make a call and he writes it out for me...
But if one were to be addicted to benzos or ritalin...It wouldn't be hard to come by your poison...Almost as easy as an alcoholic going to a bottlestore.
 
I DID AN EXPERIMENT AND GOT SCARED!!!

I wanted to see just how easy it is to get my hands on a whack of Ritalin...

For the mere price of R900.00 I managed, without any difficulty, to get 480 10mg tablets of the generic Ritalin which can be crushed and snorted or even injected...

A seasoned addict will use around 15 - 20 tabs/day (150mg - 200mg / day [normal adult dose being 40mg injested / day])....

If you average it out to 17 tabs/day a ritalin junky will have a whole months supply and be high everyday!!!

His habit will effectively only cost him R32 / day - a little more than a box of smokes...

This is scary!!!

Perspective:

The only other drug that will give the addict the same high is cocaine and to compete with 17 tabs of Ritalin you would need at least 2 grams of coke, which will cost around R500.00 / day!!!

So....For the price of 3 grams of coke you could do Ritalin every day for a month!!!!!

It was easier than scoring from a Nigerian....Damn!!!

Well at least I don't have to get Ritalin for 4 months!!!

:eek::eek::eek:
 
TIK AS DEADLY AS HEROIN!!

Information on TIK and treatment info:

Methamphetamine is also known as "speed","ice", and "tik". It is a highly addictive stimulant drug that activates certain areas in the brain to create a euphoric rush. It is chemically related to amphetamine but has a greater effect. Tik has become a scourge in South Africa because of its ready availability and low cost. Many people think that tik is a new drug but in fact it has been around for decades. It has just become more popular recently as local gangs started producing it. A great many people are addicted to this dangerous substance and in need of treatment in a drug rehab center.

While a person is high on tik he/she will experience a sense of euphoria and powerful invincibility. Tik users have a reduced appetite. Because the drug gives a sense of energy a tik user might not sleep for days on end provided he/she is able to continue taking doses of the drug. The combination of going without sleep and drug use can lead to "speed psychosis". For many people a proper medically supervised detox in a drug rehab center becomes the only way they can come off this powerfully addictive chemical.

Crystal meth treatment should address the behaviours that sustain the addiction as well as the psychological issues that keep the user trapped. Somebody leaving a drug rehab center should have an insight into why they use the drug and be equipped with coping skills which will mean they don't have to use it in the future.

Tik is made in illegal laboratories usually run by gangs. It is a relatively simple chemical to produce and can be manufactured using household ingredients. However the purity of the tik will depend on the skill and quality of equipment of the people who are making it. Gangs will often add cheaper materials to the mixture in order to lower the cost of production. This means that somebody using tik might not be able to tell exactly what is in the chemical.

Tik is most often used by inhaling the smoke. Because tik is a crystal it lets off a characteristic cracking noise as it is heated. This is where the name "tik" comes from.

Tik is usually treated in a residential drug rehab center where the client stays on the property for a number of weeks. A treatment program will start with a detoxification ("detox") that flushes out of the body any remnants of the drug or other toxins left behind. During detox the client might receive medications that will help to make the withdrawal symptoms more manageable.

Once the client has completed detox the drug rehab center will allow him/her to join the treatment program. Most programs use a variety of interventions to address the multiple facets that make up the clients pattern of addiction. These include counseling (individual and group), art therapy, drama therapy, yoga and relaxation therapy, and lectures. Usually these will be offered by a multidisciplinary team that works closely together to provide a seamless and comprehensive drug rehab treatment program.

A drug rehab program will address the core psychological issues that trap the addict. This means that potential problems that might trigger an episode of drug use are identified and strategies developed to deal with them. A person should leave a drug rehab center with a good insight into why they used drugs and how they can avoid being in that situation again.

There are a number of good drug rehab centers in South Africa that provide treatment for tik addiction at affordable rates. If you would like help in finding one please contact us for advice.

Contact details

082-74-REHAB (73422)

http://wedorecover.com/methamphetamine/comparing-two-stimulants

http://wedorecover.com/registered/houghton-house-jhb

Coping skills: http://wedorecover.com/support/maintaining-sobriety-after-drug-rehab

Coping with cravings: http://wedorecover.com/stress/drug-rehab-advice-coping-with-cravings

Making the most of rehab: http://wedorecover.com/treatment/drug-rehab-making-most-it
 
ooo - love this addiction thread ;)

... why not put the relapse rate for tik in there as well? ;)

Very few people break free - families can waste R10,000s of Rands on rehabs and hours & hours of heartache, but 98% of the time it's a waste *shrug* Rehabs seldom work either. Yes - I'm a pessimistic person.

If I knew 18 months ago what I knew now, I'd be in a very different situation.

That said, perhaps you can help the 2% with this information ...
 
TIK RELAPSE STATS

The good news is that it aint as bad as heroin...

Only about 60% of recovering addicts relapse....Compared to the 96% relapse rate of Heroin addicts....

IMPORTANT:

If you come clean and don't want to be another statistic you need to be open and honest with your family and have a good support system in place...

I found that 1-on-1 therapy with a psychologist helped me....
You need to identify triggers that might lead you to start craving and you need coping mechanisms to deal with the day to day crap of the world....we are so used to leaning on our drug of choice to deal with life...THIS IS THE HARDEST THING TO OVERCOME...Change your mindset and deal with life like those millions around you do without chemical assistance...
Easier said than done...Lets face it...Life can Suck alot of the time...
 
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Only about 60% of recovering addicts relapse....Compared to the 96% relapse rate of Heroin addicts....

Crystal meth is actually one of the most addicitive drugs out there and often placed on par with heroine.

Relapse rate is definatley over 90% ... some figures sitting at 94% or 96%
 
Crystal meth is actually one of the most addicitive drugs out there and often placed on par with heroine.

Relapse rate is definatley over 90% ... some figures sitting at 94% or 96%

Link?

I only have stats from rehabs in SA for TIK....Might be off...Globally Meth has been a problem for years...Ameran stats are more accurate as they have a longer history....TIK isn't EXACTLY crystal meth but its damn close and alot of the TIK available is made with household products including chlorine...

If the relapse rate is that high then I need to be corrected... Thanks bud.
 
Yea I'm specifically speaking of meth, but they are similar. Half these sites are blocked at work so I can't go into them, but in the Google description it should list relapse rates :

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/drugs/crystalmeth.html
http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=crystal+meth+relapse+rate&meta=&aq=f&oq=
http://www.crystalmethfaq.com/solution.html
http://www.helium.com/items/1451434-crystal-meth-abuse

... and many others.

I've also read that about 50% of all new HIV cases in the states have meth behind them in some way. Scary when you've been going out with one of these unknowingly. Due to her drug and sex life, she's put my life on the line - without a care in the world.

I'm quite anti drug addicts because of her and will advise anyone to run, if possible. I don't believe in NA, rehabs or councellors. It's totally up to the individual - and with such a high relapse rate, very indivduals are interested in changing themselves.

My exgirlfriend would not - and will not - admit anything. If I catch her with a pipe up her nose, she'll deny drug use. You cannot ever prove to them, no matter how much physical evidence you have. They lie about every single thing you can imagine.
 
What's in TIK?

The following:

Matches

The red phosphorous contained in the heads of matches, combined with iodine, makes Hydriodic Acid

Iodine

Iodine in and of itself is a harmful toxin. It takes nearly 4 bottles of iodine to produce 2 to 3 grams of methamphetamine.

Drano (drain cleaner)

Corrodes away hair and scum in water pipes.


Brake Fluid

Nuff said...

Ephedrine

Found in flu meds like Sudaphed .

Lighter Fluid, Butane

Thats why meth labs so frequently burst into flames.

Hydrochloric acid

Can't be healthy

Sodium hydroxide

Most of the time sodium hydroxide is used in creating biodiesel.It's also used for disposing of road kill. Douse the carcass with sodium hydroxide and the remains become little more than a coffee-like liquid.

Ether

This powerful and highly flammable gas.

Anhydrous Ammonia

This powerful ammonia is used industrially as a commercial refrigerant and in chemical fertilizer.

You buy it and die using...Make it and die trying...All the listed crap above must destroy the internal organs...nevermind the poor lungs!!!
 
Yea I'm specifically speaking of meth, but they are similar. Half these sites are blocked at work so I can't go into them, but in the Google description it should list relapse rates :

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/drugs/crystalmeth.html
http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=crystal+meth+relapse+rate&meta=&aq=f&oq=
http://www.crystalmethfaq.com/solution.html
http://www.helium.com/items/1451434-crystal-meth-abuse

... and many others.

I've also read that about 50% of all new HIV cases in the states have meth behind them in some way. Scary when you've been going out with one of these unknowingly. Due to her drug and sex life, she's put my life on the line - without a care in the world.

I'm quite anti drug addicts because of her and will advise anyone to run, if possible. I don't believe in NA, rehabs or councellors. It's totally up to the individual - and with such a high relapse rate, very indivduals are interested in changing themselves.

My exgirlfriend would not - and will not - admit anything. If I catch her with a pipe up her nose, she'll deny drug use. You cannot ever prove to them, no matter how much physical evidence you have. They lie about every single thing you can imagine.

Thanks!!!
Addiction breeds selfishness and instant gratification, corrodes morals and eliminates boundaries....Lying is a survival tool needed by addicts...
 
TIK ABUSE PIC

Damn!!!!

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