ADSL too expensive in SA

Just getting back to 2nd service provider. Do any of you think there was an advantage when Vodacom got 2 competitors?

Telkrap can't wait for the 2nd provider. Then they can justify their (previously fixed with the 2nd group)fees and not be the only target of complaints.

I will stick with my 56k modem and callmore connection for now!

Maybe we should throw a spanner in the works by all hosting P2P and ftp on local machines - then we can carry on the whole month at full speed.
 
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The benefits are obvious in my eyes. The main problem though is that the CSP's also at the end of the day have to pay Telkom and in essense Vodacom.


- Colin Alston
colin at alston dot za dot org

"Getting traffic shaping right is easy and can be summed up in one word: Dont." -- George Barnett
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kaspaas</i>
Please guys: You don't understand the democratic processes:

How dare you demand cheap ADSL if a vast section of the people don't even have telephones yet?

How dare you demand cheap luxury ADSL when people are dying of malnutrition?

Remember that we are living in a democracy where the people have spoken that the poor should be first priority.

Luxuries such as affordable broadband internet access means nothing if your stomach is empty. The people have spoken!
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Well - I know you were being sarcastic and I understand that the financial burden of trying to rebuild South Africa is a heavy one.

But I must say my reaction to your post was "How, indeed?"

With more subtlety, I think you can be for all that stuff for the poor, and STILL realise that its an outrage that Telkom is being allowed to hoover up money from the South African economy to enrich the few (and many foreign) shareholders.

Because its clear that the money Telkom takes from us for ADSL and other high end services is not going to help the economically excluded.

Where's the economics boffin who'd like to try an analysis of Telkom's overall contribution to the economy?

Steve
 
Good day dear ladies and gents

With regard to the democratic process, which has been mentioned quite often in this topic up to now, I would like to utter a couple of words if you please. The argument has been made (be it in jest or not) that we cannot afford the luxury of ADSL or if we use the proper terminology, broadband in our lovely country because the hungry and the poor have decided that their empty stomachs and needs should be addressed. Being the logical liberal thinker I am, I dare not pretend that I will stand in the way of such a remedy but I will however make the easy (but true) statement that we will have more people suffering hunger and economic hardship if we allow ourselves not to claw back the lost territory between us and the developing world.

We are dependent on the creation of revenue, both internally and foreign, for the economic broadening of our social stability shoulders. If we want to carry more weight, we need to muscle up. It is a very simple theory, which makes for a very difficult reality. We are living in a country with two great divides. One is the economic divide. We might have differences as to the origin of this divide but we all agree it exists. Its origin does not really matter much as the very real fact is, we have to fix it!

The second divide is the digital divide. This divide is narrowly connected to the first divide in the sense that those on the good side of the divide (being the wealthy and well educated) are the ones who are connected and those on the bad side of it (being the poor and uneducated) are not. Those on the good side increasingly need to be connected affordably and efficiently in order to further the economic progress of our country. Huge chunks of the first world economic activity exist purely in cyberspace. Information is traded and brokered virtually over high-speed networks and the average person is empowered to take part in this revolutionary trans configuration of the old steadfast business models. Even if it is for something as simple as ordering a pizza online.

It is simply insane to think that you can neglect those who are already in the right position to compete with the world for the sake of the not so fortunate. A better model would be to make sure those in a “good position” at least stay in that position if not get them in a better position whilst getting those in a “not so good position” up there with those who are. Remember that the terminology “advantaged” and “disadvantaged” were created for political reasons. You are not advantaged when you have food, a house, a car (or good public transport), a job, communication tools and safety. That is what the median should be. If you have a plane and a Ferrari, you can consider yourself advantaged.

Broadband internet cannot be considered a luxury anymore. It is becoming increasingly important as a tool to drive the economy. Especially a world economy!

In short, drive those in the “good position” by making it easier for them to compete with the rest of the world and then take the ordinary taxation (generated through their increased activities) and help the rest catch-up by for instance freeing up the labor markets and making it easier for companies to retain money needed for expansion etc.

Thanks for reading
Antowan


He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
 
this made me think.........the quickest and easiest way out is----&gt; lets just ask the Government to stop spending millions on themselfs and use it for the poor......then us guys, who TRIES to achieve something, can take our OWN hard earned mony and use it on ourselffs.........as it is supposed to be.........and get ADSL at the price we we SUPPOSED to pay........:-)
 
When I tell my friend in Hong Kong that I am paying R1000 a month for 512K 3GB ADSL, they laughs at me..............for example, they only pay SONY So-Net3M Plan: (256~640Kbps Upload) (3~3.8Mbps Download) UNLIMITED for HKD298 which is abt R250 and no other fees..........that make me sick about Telkom
 
there is only one solution to Telscum... WSIP.... wait for it.. it will be availbale soon as as we tackle the loopholes in ICASA... damm this monopoly telecommm country
 
Webdude it is obvious that you sort of have brainatorms after you've posted a post

I BEG YOU PLEASE TO STOP DOUBLE POSTING
 
lol this is not the only thread he has done it on, lol he wants to be senior like us Dom ;)

There is no peace without war!!!
 
Sorry to bust your bubble, but i'm here to support myself as well as my family.........not other ppl.........i'm not Santa Claus.....If others wanna make babies, they have the enjoyment, so its their problem to support them, not mine.......If i make money???....it's mine cause i've EARNED it....So obviously......may i not spoil myself????..........or is every one just to greedy to accept only and never giveth??[}:)].......look at this country........a total LOSS.....pity......and i loved it SO much.:-( Sorry ppl, i don't want to talk politics as this is an ADSL forum......it is just that i get SO FRUSTRATED to see how ppl perrish because of an unorginized country...:-(
 
About the Telkom monopolies, I believe that it only takes time to bring down a dictator. When they fall they will fall hard. Hasn't it become annoying to watch how they winge about others offering telecoms solutions but have never shown the ethics to stop offering IT Solutions in competition to those who sell their services...i.e. PC Dealers, etc? You can debate me on the right to explore more markets but I jst dont think it's justified.

I know it is only time till they fall and we will stand at the ruins with grins on our faces, proud of our achievement.. I hope we achieve our goal of being on apr with the rest of the world on all services they offer.
Gig
 
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