Affirmative Action here forever

JK8 said:

SO they were thrown into areas and said there, make what you want of it and dont come out!!:confused:
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Its a right.. isnt it? You got given the rights to Self-determination.. I am not arguing how apartheid worked (or didnt) - I am pointing at Rights!. My parents came to the beautifull country of South Africa 30 years ago... and now I am paying for 400 years of crimes. Makes logical sense to me.

BEE and AA dont work... as most of the people (Black and White) involved with the programs are corrupt as hell, so you can only blame yourself for the opportunistic nature of the AA and BEE people that are raping the system.... and now its the companies fault for not complying?
 
precisely...who should pay for the crimes of apartheid ? the white kids that just finished matric in 2006 ? should they bear the brunt of affirmative action ? is it fair ? was apartheid their fault ?
 
protzkrog said:
precisely...who should pay for the crimes of apartheid ? the white kids that just finished matric in 2006 ? should they bear the brunt of affirmative action ? is it fair ? was apartheid their fault ?
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If you benefitted from apartheid any way or form you have had some part to play in it.
 
JK8 said:
If you benefitted from apartheid any way or form you have had some part to play in it.
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JK8, your memory seems to be very short.... WHITES faught Apartheid too!!!! even Afrikaans whites.. it was not an exclusive 'BLACK' fight.
 
so if blacks benefit from the power stations, dams, roads, etc. they should also pay for apartheid ?

lol, what a k@k argument
 
JK8 said:
Whats a Bop?
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You betray your age.:D
Bophutatswana. One of the wonderful homelands. The idea was to send people back to where they came from and create a state there so that SA would once again be free of black people.
 
RichardP said:
JK8, your memory seems to be very short.... WHITES faught Apartheid too!!!! even Afrikaans whites.. it was not an exclusive 'BLACK' fight.
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Apartheid = the exclusion of all non whites.
 
Skeptik said:
You betray your age.:D
Bophutatswana. One of the wonderful homelands. The idea was to send people back to where they came from and create a state there so that SA would once again be free of black people.
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Ooh taught it was an acronym for something.:o
 
JK8 said:
Apartheid = the exclusion of all non whites.
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Correct... implemented by a GOVERNMENT... not everyone supports the government. You , out of all people know that.
You go tell the White Americans that imposed sanction on SA that "Your Efforts are welcome, but you are white, and HENCE, supported Apartheid" .. you go tell all the foreign nationals that got YOUR country freed from Apartheid that - "oops, being white is the wrong answer, you are the weakest link... bye bye"

You are a very narrow minded person to think that "ALL" whites supported apartheid and were passive players in the transformation.

Yes, I went to school during the Apartheid years... what option did I have? Go to School, or be arrested and sent to BoysTown ? (yes, truancy was illegal during thise years)

Sorry.. a bit OT.

Back to BEE/AA
 
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JK8 said:
If you benefitted from apartheid any way or form you have had some part to play in it.
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Everyone should be paying for apartheid in this country then.

Umm yeah, but I see you have the same attitude as some ministers we have. By your logic AA will be intensified and be a permanent racist endeavour. Good luck with that.
 
RichardP said:
Correct... implemented by a GOVERNMENT... not everyone supports the government. You , out of all people know that.
You go tell the White Americans that imposed sanction on SA that "Your Efforts are welcome, but you are white, and HENCE, supported Apartheid" .. you go tell all the foreign nationals that got YOUR country freed from Apartheid that - "oops, being white is the wrong answer, you are the weakest link... bye bye"

You are a very narrow minded person to think that "ALL" whites supported apartheid and were passive players in the transformation

Sorry.. a bit OT.

Back to BEE/AA
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Ofcourse there were some more sensible people, like Beyers Naude (I hope thats the right name) and others that actively took part in the struggles of freedom. BUt the majority was Pro apartheid, and some that just went with the flow.
 
Tanarri said:
Everyone should be paying for apartheid in this country then.

Umm yeah, but I see you have the same attitude as some ministers we have. By your logic AA will be intensified and be a permanent racist endeavour. Good luck with that.
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It will only stop when the playing fields are level!
 
JK8 said:
Ofcourse there were some more sensible people, like Beyers Naude (I hope thats the right name) and others that actively took part in the struggles of freedom. BUt the majority was Pro apartheid, and some that just went with the flow.
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No, thats where I think you missed the plot... ..if you didnt go with the flow - you went missing... There was no White Democracy in the Apartheid years either!

AA as an ideology is OK , but humans will take advantage of a situation and milk it for all its worth.
 
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JK8 said:
It will only stop when the playing fields are level!
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and what is the best way to get them level ?
by appointing people with their skin colour as only criterium ?

i've always wondererd what happens to a person that for instance has a black grandparent...will he be advantaged by AA or not ?

where does one draw the line ?
 
JK8 said:
It will only stop when the playing fields are level!
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It's amazing how the majority believe that to level the playing field you have to hold the others back. How about standing up and making things better for yourselves? How about rising the playing field instead of dropping it? Why is it that in order to have things better for one group another must suffer? Surely that is what a global village is about, equal opportunities for all?
 
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