Affirmative Action

alpha777 said:
Interestingly before the civil rights movement blacks actually had families and fathers stayed with their wives and kids. Not anymore. I wonder what changed this?
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That's a mighty wide brush you're waving there.
 
noxibox said:
The Afrikaner Nationalists already did that at the time. (Source?) - not because I am being facetious just can't find any after brief search


I guess that puts paid to my plans not to hire stupid people. (if your position requires certain qualifications and experience it's not discrimination it is a requirement. There is a difference)


Another person who thinks less than a single generation is sufficient. (correct me if I am wrong but a school career is 12 years no? so that would mean that there is at least one generation of people that has had sufficient time to not only pass through the school system but also come out engineers and doctors.)

warchylde said:
Basic education was guaranteed when the apartheid curtain fell.
That must have been when the government waved their magic wand and all schools became equal. (Sarcasm again? If you can't contribute rather shut up)


You're kidding right?


(So were they ignorant or just plain stupid? I said that have that excuse should they deem it necessary to use it. The ANC has first hand experience of what discrimination does and should know better.) Anyway affirmative action exists in numerous countries, so I'm not sure what past knowledge the current government should have used to see the harm. Now if the ANC were denying education to whites and actually completely barring them from holding any skilled jobs, then you might have something.
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Right so when you are done making excuses why don't you rather try and contribute in positive fashion by actually making suggestions.
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warchylde said:
correct me if I am wrong but a school career is 12 years no? so that would mean that there is at least one generation of people that has had sufficient time to not only pass through the school system but also come out engineers and doctors.
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Including tertiary education? What is this misconception that suddenly people have stopped persuing professional degrees and careers?
 
Mila said:
:D :D

IT. Actually. We cannot afford Black men. They are just too expensive. We lost 2 posts due to this. It has been open for 1.5 years now, It could not be filled with in the budget with BEE candidates and now due to budget cuts we will have to do without them. Which is going to make us limp for a few years to come.

BEE went wrong... again. Now because people know they have to be employed for BEE reasons they over sell themselves and people has to revert to either not employing or employing a non BEE candidate.


I do not care if they employ blue men, but this over worked mnd is going to go of its trolley soon :D
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I could do with a company change :whistle: :D
 
krycor said:
I find the whole 1 black person wants what 3 white people want to work for funny. What position is this? Are the three candidates on the exact same education and experience criteria? Also please explain to me how you recruit for a position without specifying a salary range because generally this is specified, heck most agencies will ask tell you realistically what you looking at prior. Also recruiting and looking for jobs is like selling things, would you buy a diamond ring from me for R100? So its all about perception and living up to it. I sure as heck learnt from from underselling.
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It’s a skilled position. Everybody is educated and skilled equally ( some cases the whites have more But we want a BEE person)
Yes you put a salary range. We also have patty flippers applying for the same position. You are free to send your CV even if the salary is not within your range. You can negotiate.

Why do you find this funny? A white man in this country at a certain age will be looked over several times because of the BEE status they bring with them.
Black Skilled people know that they are in demand and can ask what they want. Supply and demand. The demand in this position is high but the supply low ( BEE candidates)
 
Mikroz said:
What a load of codswallop.

You're doling out the title of 'Racist' to every "White" male executive with nothing more than an assumption.
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No I am not, I didn't just say what I said out of ignorance. I've witnessed this for myself in the corporate world. I never said they were racist, I simply said that they'd prefer hiring a demographic they could better relate to. From my observations this is fact.

Mikroz said:
If I sat here and said everyone in this sub-forum is a complete A'hole and that you therefore are one too, you would hassle me about it. I haven't met everyone in this forum. I haven't spoken to everyone in here. It would be an assumption on my part.
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No relevance

Mikroz said:
What's the difference?

Are you a soothsayer? Can you foretell the next thing I'm going to eat, drive or write? No.

The majority of "Black" South Africa is suffering from a severely delusional sense of entitlement.
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You see, this is where things start getting stupid and where non-whites could say the very same thing about white South Africans.

Mikroz said:
Hard work, learning, respect and tolerance will get you far in life. Whining about an inferiority complex will get you nowhere.

As someone once said, with a slightly different context, AA is for quitters.
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Well I'm coloured and I am enjoying increasing amounts of economic health as the days go by, I climbed the corporate ladder due to me being determined and always keeping my eye on my goals. Now I run two businesses, both of which are very sustainable.

I'm not whining, I just gave you my take on the subject and you went to go and make it all personal.
 
Affirmative Action has nothing to do with majority / minority groups in the population, but with majority / minority groups in the workplace. It's about jobs. In South Africa white people are the majority in management/non-labour based jobs and blacks are the minority by a far margin. It is this that AA seeks to address. It is the same with gender. Males make up the majority in the workplace which is why AA applies to women - it's not because there are more men than woman in the population or vice versa.
 
alpha777 said:
Its kinda sad because the message you are giving black people is that whites stole their "stuff" and the only way they can get ahead in life is if you disadvantage whites.
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Sad because it's true.


Edit: I changed my mind, not true! Bit still sad
 
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Fudzy said:
Including tertiary education? What is this misconception that suddenly people have stopped persuing professional degrees and careers?
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Yes including tertiary education - school 12 years studying to be a doctor 5 years (Excluding compulsory practical years) so that should leave us with quite a few PD's that are almost done qualifying. Engineering is 3 to 5 years so they should have completed by now.

What do you mean by "What is this misconception that suddenly people have stopped persuing professional degrees and careers?"
 
alpha777 said:
Interestingly before the civil rights movement blacks actually had families and fathers stayed with their wives and kids. Not anymore. I wonder what changed this?
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Your touching on something completely different to the topic.

A question which is a bit off topic here, but why is it that so many of the religious folks on this forum are right wingers?
 
Cloudster said:
Your touching on something completely different to the topic.

A question which is a bit off topic here, but why is it that so many of the religious folks on this forum are right wingers?
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/popcorn

this is going to be fun to watch.
 
Let's stick to the topic, Affirmative Action, and the quote in the OP shall we?
 
wayfarer said:
Which South Africa is that? The South Africa I know implements AA, which aims to more fairly distribute the region's wealth that was forcefully usurped and is being hogged by 9% of the country. Meanwhile, some others would prefer the 9% to hold on to their loot, and the other 91% to generate wealth for themselves out of thin air.
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Even if the 9% gave their jobs, money and land to the 91%, that means there will still be 82% that would still be out of pocket plus the 9% that gave their stuff to the 91% so then there would still be 91% out of pocket....
 
alpha777 said:
Even if the 9% gave their jobs, money and land to the 91%, that means there will still be 82% that would still be out of pocket plus the 9% that gave their stuff to the 91% so then there would still be 91% out of pocket....
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That's some solid arithmetic work right there.
 
warchylde said:
The problem is they don't believe the money and property that currently sits with the particular 9% should be there. It is believed to have been stolen and never worked for.
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Do you think people (groups of legit citizens) who were displaced aren't entitled to their land back?
 
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