Affirmative inaction

alloytoo said:
After how many generations are they going to stop blaming Bantu education?
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Exactly. Is 13 years not enough time to finish schooling? I'm pretty sure I did it in 12. What Bantu education have the graduates of today received? :confused:
 
BandwidthAddict said:
I do not know and I want to learn:

During apartheid, were private black schools in the homeland illegal? If they were illegal, who made them illegal, the Nats or the homeland government? Please provide proof as unsubstantiated claims bare no fruit.

I ask because the Indians had private schools and I am genuinely interested in learning the truth of that time, regardless of how I might feel about it.
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From what I can understand, the Bantu Education Act, was meant to bring matters education regarding Blacks under the Jurisdiction of the Native Affairs department, headed up at the time by H Verwoed himself. He actually authored the Act.

It placed total control of education in goverment hands, doing away with Missionary schools (what you probably refer to as Black private schools), other schools in the homeland fell under the control of the Native affairs department.

Bantu Education Act, Act No 47 of 1953
Established a Black Education Department in the Department of Native Affairs which would compile a curriculum that suited the "nature and requirements of the black people". The author of the legislation, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd (then Minister of Native Affairs, later Prime Minister), stated that its aim was to prevent Africans receiving an education that would lead them to aspire to positions they wouldn't be allowed to hold in society. Instead Africans were to receive an education designed to provide them with skills to serve their own people in the homelands or to work in labouring jobs under whites.
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http://africanhistory.about.com/library/bl/blsalaws.htm
 
timgaul said:
Exactly. Is 13 years not enough time to finish schooling? I'm pretty sure I did it in 12. What Bantu education have the graduates of today received? :confused:
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You are talking of repairing the systematic acedemic deconstruction of many a young black generation since 1953 and only stopped in 1990. In just 13 years? :confused:

Surely you can apply your common sense and see there is no way that is possible.

Why do you think we have such a skills shortage?
 
sox63 said:
You are talking of repairing the systematic acedemic deconstruction of many a young black generation since 1953 and only stopped in 1990. In just 13 years? :confused:

Surely you can apply your common sense and see there is no way that is possible.

Why do you think we have such a skills shortage?
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I think he was referring to the newest generation to go through the school system, should in theory not have the same skill shortage. There might be still other factors to take into account, like the environment the child have to study in, etc. But there had been kids that got excellent results in spite of the environment they study in.

Not all generations since the '30s will be on par in 13 years, and most won't ever, but the new generation have all the opportunities their parents didn't have.
 
sox63 said:
You are talking of repairing the systematic acedemic deconstruction of many a young black generation since 1953 and only stopped in 1990. In just 13 years? :confused:

Surely you can apply your common sense and see there is no way that is possible.

Why do you think we have such a skills shortage?
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And even if it was the case that you started highschool in the early 90's. Finished in 1995. Degree in 1998. 10 years work experience. And no Bantu Education. There is, and has been enough opportunity to fill this skills shortage you talk about.
 
Nod said:
I think he was referring to the newest generation to go through the school system, should in theory not have the same skill shortage. There might be still other factors to take into account, like the environment the child have to study in, etc. But there had been kids that got excellent results in spite of the environment they study in.

Not all generations since the '30s will be on par in 13 years, and most won't ever, but the new generation have all the opportunities their parents didn't have.
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Then using the 13 year time period, the "first" generation is only just starting tertiary education.

To expect everyone to be on the same level is just plain unreasonable. Some of us were lucky to have parents that were educated outside the country, or despite the previous regime, managed to be successful and afforded us the opportunity to atend schools with better facilities and carricullum, once all the legislation prohibiting us were removed.

Some just were not that lucky...
 
timgaul said:
And even if it was the case that you started highschool in the early 90's. Finished in 1995. Degree in 1998. 10 years work experience. And no Bantu Education. There is, and has been enough opportunity to fill this skills shortage you talk about.
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You forget one of the other points of the Act, was to prioritise resources for the use of Whites only schools. So unless you got into one of those in the early 90s, your quality of education would still be far under par to those that matriculated at those "model c" schools.
 
sox63 said:
Then using the 13 year time period, the "first" generation is only just starting tertiary education.

To expect everyone to be on the same level is just plain unreasonable. Some of us were lucky to have parents that were educated outside the country, or despite the previous regime, managed to be successful and afforded us the opportunity to atend schools with better facilities and carricullum, once all the legislation prohibiting us were removed.

Some just were not that lucky...
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Actually the most important years wrt tertiary entrance and achieving a degree is Grades 10-12. Which is only three years. Even if it is a 5 years of high school there is more than enough time to have graduates with degrees and work experience.
 
sox63 said:
You forget one of the other points of the Act, was to prioritise resources for the use of Whites only schools. So unless you got into one of those in the early 90s, your quality of education would still be far under par to those that matriculated at those "model c" schools.
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Was model c schools not mostly self funded, with limited funds from government?
 
timgaul said:
Actually the most important years wrt tertiary entrance and achieving a degree is Grades 10-12. Which is only three years. Even if it is a 5 years of high school there is more than enough time to have graduates with degrees and work experience.
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And what do we from Grade 1-9? Playgroup?:D
 
Actually the most important years wrt tertiary entrance and achieving a degree is Grades 10-12. Which is only three years. Even if it is a 5 years of high school there is more than enough time to have graduates with degrees and work experience.
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Sure, and who's teaching you? At this stage (if you are a township kid) its more than likely someone who benefited from the full brunt of bantu education and couple of years at training college.

It is naive to think that once the act is scrapped, the effects of it disappear in 3 / 5 / 12 years.
 
Nod said:
Was model c schools not mostly self funded, with limited funds from government?
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I'm sorry, I put it in inverted commas to signify to what when we growing up they were called. In effect any white school, public or private are refered to as "Model C"
 
chiskop said:
Sure, and who's teaching you? At this stage (if you are a township kid) its more than likely someone who benefited from the full brunt of bantu education and couple of years at training college.

It is naive to think that once the act is scrapped, the effects of it disappear in 3 / 5 / 12 years.
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What? We had highly qualified and intelligent black teachers as early as 1994 (some of them were my teachers). They're the ones teaching the kids today.
 
timgaul said:
Actually the most important years wrt tertiary entrance and achieving a degree is Grades 10-12.
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And I'm trying to say you can't get to grade 10 without passing the others. I think thats why they call it a foundation.

So if your foundations were shaky, 10-12 will be the same.
 
timgaul said:
What? We had highly qualified and intelligent black teachers as early as 1994 (some of them were my teachers). They're the ones teaching the kids today.
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Chances are some of them were not educated in SA boet.
 
In fact, is it not the purpose of the Dept of Education to ensure that the teaching standards within these schools are of an acceptable level? Don't blame yesterday for the mistakes you make tomorrow! This current government is responsbile for the education of the youth - regardless of what they've inherited they've been given the opportunity to make up for the past. An opportunity they insist on floundering.
 
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