Affirmative inaction

[Dusk]

It just blacks seem to want everything based on skin color and not skills.
This includes jobs , and sports.
Sports by the way needs no education but the blacks still force their hand.
Now it includes who is allowed to buy what??
This mentality will send this country into total guaranteed disaster.

 

[sox63]

In fact, is it not the purpose of the Dept of Education to ensure that the teaching standards within these schools are of an acceptable level? Don't blame yesterday for the mistakes you make tomorrow! This current government is responsbile for the education of the youth - regardless of what they've inherited they've been given the opportunity to make up for the past. An opportunity they insist on floundering.

Agreed, however I was disputing your assertion that the situation has equlised in 13 years.

 

[Dusk]

Agreed, however I was disputing your assertion that the situation has equlised in 13 years.

This country will be distroyed long before as you put it "been equalized (note the spelling)."

 

[chiskop]

Regardless, it is a gross generalization to insist all black teachers have been badly educated.

I did specify that I was talking about township schools, which is where the problems lie. I do not think that it is a gross generalisation to say "its more than likely someone who benefited from the full brunt of bantu education and couple of years at training college."

I'm sure that there are a great many highly qualified black teachers, some in township schools and some in historically white schools. Because of the history of black education, they are exceptions to the norm.

 

[semiautomatix]

Agreed, however I was disputing your assertion that the situation has equlised in 13 years.

And what I was asserting was not that the situation has equalised - rather there is sufficient black people who have had a decent education to fill this skills shortage as a result of the last 13 years. As has been stated, the situation may not be equalised for a few generations - it doesn't mean the opportunity is not there for a young black person to do it on their own.

 

[Jozi101]

Exactly. Is 13 years not enough time to finish schooling? I'm pretty sure I did it in 12. What Bantu education have the graduates of today received?

Me!

I'm 26 yrs old, attended primary school in the 80's, and that was the bantu education's dying era. I remember vividly my primary school history text books telling me that Jan van Riebeck was the first man to set foot in the country. Still can't believe they had the gal to go to such lengths.

 

[sox63]

Me!

I'm 26 yrs old, attended primary school in the 80's, and that was bantu education. I remember vividly my high school history text books telling me that Jan van Riebeck was the first man to set foot in the country. Still can't believe they had the gal to go to such lengths.

Yeah, I remember those days.

I feel sorry for those Portugese explorers that were never recognised.

When I went to the Model c school I had to be put back 1 grade, they wanted to put me back 2, just becuase of the quality of the education.

 

[lsuacner]

And what do we from Grade 1-9? Playgroup?

And I'm trying to say you can't get to grade 10 without passing the others. I think thats why they call it a foundation.

So if your foundations were shaky, 10-12 will be the same.

I did not receive education from grade 5 to grade 9. I started In grade 10 again and I passed with university exemption and have a degree now. I also qualified for Golden Key, which means I was in the top 10% in my faculty.

My sister did not receive grade 11 or 12, she went to work overseas and when she was 20 she took textbooks from grade 11 and 12 and worked through them on her own without any teachers in 2 months. She got 5 As and a B+ 0.5% short of an A for matric which she wrote at the South-African embassy. She has a Masters degree now, she never did not have a distinction for any subject at Potchefstroom.

In reality, highschool can be completed in less than a year.

It was difficult for me to enter in to school, as I had no foundation, but I was in the top ten every term from the start. I walked away with the subject prizes for English and Afrikaans.

 

[semiautomatix]

Me!

I'm 26 yrs old, attended primary school in the 80's, and that was the bantu education's dying era. I remember vividly my primary school history text books telling me that Jan van Riebeck was the first man to set foot in the country. Still can't believe they had the gal to go to such lengths.

Hey, that was across the board - white and black both had to sit through that drivel.

 

[Jozi101]

I did not receive education from grade 5 to grade 9. I started In grade 10 again and I passed with university exemption and have a degree now. I also qualified for Golden Key, which means I was in the top 10% in my faculty.

My sister did not receive grade 11 or 12, she went to work overseas and when she was 20 she took textbooks from grade 11 and 12 and worked through them on her own without any teachers in 2 months. She got 5 As and a B+ 0.5% short of an A for matric which she wrote at the South-African embassy. She has a Masters degree now, she never did not have a distinction for any subject at Potchefstroom.

In reality, highschool can be completed in less than a year.

It was difficult for me to enter in to school, as I had no foundation, but I was in the top ten every term from the start. I walked away with the subject prizes for English and Afrikaans.

F@rK, y'all must be some of the smartest motherF@r%ers in the world. Whatever your dad was taking, i want. Let's get together sometime.

Two months? 5 A's?!?!?! Wow!

 

[semiautomatix]

I did not receive education from grade 5 to grade 9. I started In grade 10 again and I passed with university exemption and have a degree now. I also qualified for Golden Key, which means I was in the top 10% in my faculty.

My sister did not receive grade 11 or 12, she went to work overseas and when she was 20 she took textbooks from grade 11 and 12 and worked through them on her own without any teachers in 2 months. She got 5 As and a B+ 0.5% short of an A for matric which she wrote at the South-African embassy. She has a Masters degree now, she never did not have a distinction for any subject at Potchefstroom.

In reality, highschool can be completed in less than a year.

It was difficult for me to enter in to school, as I had no foundation, but I was in the top ten every term from the start. I walked away with the subject prizes for English and Afrikaans.

Well said and well done! I glad you make the point that you are the one in control of your destiny. Either you can sit around and say "Bantu Education made me do it" or be proactive and get the education you are entitled to and deserve.

 

[semiautomatix]

F@rK, y'all must be some of the smartest motherF@r%ers in the world. Whatever your dad was taking, i want. Let's get together sometime.

Two months? 5 A's?!?!?! Wow!

And here I was thinking: matric, the best 4 years of my life!

 

[lsuacner]

F@rK, y'all must be some of the smartest motherF@r%ers in the world. Whatever your dad was taking, i want. Let's get together sometime.

Two months? 5 A's?!?!?! Wow!

We worked hard. It is solid proof though that high school should not take 5 years to complete, I imagine it takes 5 years since kids need time to mature.
The people who suffer today because of a lacking education can easily fix their problems themselves like my sister did. In short, I don't see a bad education as an excuse.

 

[chiskop]

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*golf clap for lsuacner*

So you're an exceptional student, good for you. That kind of achievement puts you ahead of at least 95% of your peers, black and white.

You don't think that they are (a few) kids learning under similarly adverse conditions that have managed to achieve similar results?

We're not talking about the few percent that are able to be in control of their education like you were, lsuacner, we're talking about the vast majority of schoolkids, who have no choice but to go with the flow of school, no matter how good/bad that might be.

 

[lsuacner]

Well if a kid does not sit on his ass and read through a textbook, or go through trouble to get a textbook (which was difficult to get btw) then I don't really care much for excuses given when they end up as part of an educated mass who believe they will be hired because they have more pigment than their white peers. When I went to school the kids threw their textbooks away, now they wish to compete with me for the same job? lol.

Do you really think that quality education would have changed the BEE candidates much? It is much easier to burn down schools than it is to study.

 

[Jozi101]

And here I was thinking: matric, the best 4 years of my life!

 

[Milano]

We will never know the full impact of affirmative action in terms of the private sector however it is obvious in terms of the public sector. If the devastating impact is not obvious in communications, health, policing, power, transport, education, etc, etc, then one would have to be blind.

 

[eltherza]

Ah, the AA argument.

Simple. If you were REALLY that good at what you do, no-one would care what colour you are, if you make people rich who cares about your colour. You find that companies only want to BEE themselves so they hire cheap black people to fill the quota. Any black person that is good at their job will be treated like gold (BEE and productive).

Either way, BEE is a "forced" ideal, and thus will not work very effectively. All it does is let rich black investors get richer. It drives international funding away (Vodafone will not buy 100% of vodacom)

If you really want to fix the problem, fund black people's education. Makes those few people who REALLY want to work hard have the chance to do so. Train them up, then give bonuses to hiring sponsored people who have passed (not just black people, there are currently disadvantaged people of all races currently)

Who would you rather have as an employee, Joe, who dropped out of high school (couldnt afford it) and can bearly count or Jane, a well educated, BSc hardworking who is well off currently?

Government is too focused on the "give us some freebies" than going "lets give people the opportunities to actually EARN that job"

 

[dlk001]

Either way, BEE is a "forced" ideal, and thus will not work very effectively. All it does is let rich black investors get richer. It drives international funding away (Vodafone will not buy 100% of vodacom)

In most cases, BEE announcements concentrate on the benefit to the BEE groups. Little is being said about "what's in it" for the other party and its shareholders.

In mining, I've seen many "pref-shares" and "shareholders" BEE agreements and I must say in most cases, they are structured against the BEE groups.

 

[McSack]

In most cases, BEE announcements concentrate on the benefit to the BEE groups. Little is being said about "what's in it" for the other party and its shareholders.

In mining, I've seen many "pref-shares" and "shareholders" BEE agreements and I must say in most cases, they are structured against the BEE groups.

Explain mate.

Maybe it's just me, but how is getting shares in a company like Angloplat at a discounted rate "against the BEE group" ?