African solutions to African problems.

[news24]

100% TRUE

African people always blame for ........ everything but never ask "how do they can do better".

From 1840 British invade China up to 1989 China open market, more than hundred years of suffering from the West, any African people could tell me how Chinese people sufferred? How many people in China being killed, executed, raped, robbed, being slave etc.........
Major instances as follow, (simplified)
1842 British invaded China
1857 British and France invaded China
1881 Russia invaded China
1900 British, USA, Japan, Germany, Russia, France, Austria, Italy invade China
1914 Japan invade China because of 1st world war (battle with Germany inside China border)
1931 Japan invade China 's north east three provinces
1937 Japan declared war with China
1939 Second world war start
1949 China Splitted into two (Mainland China and Taiwan)
From 1950 to 1976 under "chairman mo" 's ruling, communism "dark age ruling"
up to 1989 "tang" changed policies from communism to capitalism.

I want to ask those African people, what are your excuse? 15 years not enough to change the damage of old apartheid regime (less than 50 years)? Why China can repair the 150 years damage from the past. (external and internal) in 20 years time? How you do your Maths?

China never ask for a cent compensation from any invaders.
China never need "AA" or "BEE" for fixing the past.
China never ask western country for any assistant.
China never blame any invader for any colonist.

Who did it for Chinese people? Only themselves.

African people, only the source to fix the past -> yourself only, don't blame the past. I think China can tell you that is not the excuse.

(If you don't believe, you are not doing your history. If you do not know history, you are not going to learn from the past.)

>China never ask for a cent compensation from any invaders.
Was China invaded for Economic or Power purposes?

China never need "AA" or "BEE" for fixing the past.
Its hard to respond to this statement without sounding a bit anal. What's the population ratio between the Chinese and the invaders?

China never ask western country for any assistant.
Economic invasion or Power invasion?

Who did it for Chinese people? Only themselves.
In a world full of Economic Hitmen, that is an invalid question. Zimbabwe is hindered from progressing because of limitations on trade imposed by the west.

History will tell you that because of intense relations between Russia/USSR and the West, a superpower had to rise in Asia to limit the threat from the Soviets. You cannot develop a superpower without growing the economy. If all the Western companies were to pull out of China what do you think would happen? Do you think that China would stand? There are reasons why China is where it is and the least can be attributed to the people of China. There are reasons why Middle-East will always be kept unstable.

South Africa is a special case, unfortunately the former oppressors do not realise the extent of damage caused by Apartheid.

• South Africa was divided by Race
• Worst: Within Blacks, South Africa was devided by ethnicity through Batustans
• A certain race denied Economic participation
• Different service levels for Blacks and Whites.
• Blacks were denied the right to own land.

Why does an Accomplished state like USA which has a black President have AA?

 

[news24]

Pretty sure that it was unequal ito tax contribution.

I must say, that's an intelligent statement. Why was the tax contribution unequal?

 

[news24]

Not quite sure what stats you are using but according to Resbank KBP6006Y GDP at constant 2000 prices, I get the following:
1994: R779,429 million
2008: R1,271,717

This represents a total growth of 63% much lower than your stated statistic. Are you using constant (inflation adjusted) or current (non-inflation adjusted) stats. Please reveal your source.

Over your stated 9 years the figures are as follows:
1994: R779,429 million
2003: R1,012,763 million
A much lower growth rate of 30%. Quite where you got 283% I'm not sure. Must have been from those ANC politicians?

Secondly, when looking at growth rates, one must also consider the comparative growth rate of SA vs other countries i.e. a growth rate of 3% when the growth rate of the rest of the world is 5% is poor. In essence, the country is underperforming. Under Mbeki, this was particularly true.

You may have noted, that now that the rest of the world is experiencing a shrinking economy, so is SA. Perhaps we were just riding the global wave, and the ANC can't really take credit for all that growth?

Edit: Just followed your link:


Secondly: I suggest you read up on how to do percentage calculations:
(R1 209 495 - R 426 132) / (R426 132) x 100 = 184%

NOT:
(R1 209 495 / 426 132) x 100 = 284%

Seems that post-apartheid schooling that you benefitted from didn't teach you how to perform basic mathematical calculations. Clearly, it isn't as good as you think. For someone who claims to be sitting at a board level, this is a pretty basic mistake.

Your absolutely right, my calculations were flawed, the percentage growth for 94-2008 is a modest 63%, thats still not too bad.

Talking about exchange rates, does it really matter?

I don't do math, I have people who are paid to the job

 

[boramk]

>China never ask for a cent compensation from any invaders.
Was China invaded for Economic or Power purposes?

You justify invasion because of "purposes"?

China never need "AA" or "BEE" for fixing the past.
Its hard to respond to this statement without sounding a bit anal. What's the population ratio between the Chinese and the invaders?

You justify invasion because of population ratio?

China never ask western country for any assistant.
Economic invasion or Power invasion?

What? Did they ask for assistance or not?

Who did it for Chinese people? Only themselves.
In a world full of Economic Hitmen, that is an invalid question. Zimbabwe is hindered from progressing because of limitations on trade imposed by the west.

Too much Zeitgeist conspiracy theories to justify economic failures throughout the world?

History will tell you that because of intense relations between Russia/USSR and the West, a superpower had to rise in Asia to limit the threat from the Soviets. You cannot develop a superpower without growing the economy. If all the Western companies were to pull out of China what do you think would happen? Do you think that China would stand? There are reasons why China is where it is and the least can be attributed to the people of China. There are reasons why Middle-East will always be kept unstable.

BULL-FRIKICKING CRAP. Explain to me how in ANY way because of the USSR/USA relations, China emerged economically strong?
BTW China isn't a superpower. At least not for the next 40 years.

Why does an Accomplished state like USA which has a black President have AA?

Because the accomplished state has a rich majority and a poor minority, a situation where the idea of AA works. In SA? Other way around buddy

 

[STS]

Sorry, I am not African. Don't count me.

if you're born in South Africa you could qualify as a South African it's all how you want to see yourself. also, if you're part of a country then naturally we are by default part of that country's future.

I have a REAL story for you.
I went to a local small post office (one counter) for just a stamp. One AFRICAN woman in front of me and like to post THOUSAND of registered letters by counter, I waited more than 30 mins and about 10 people behind me. Then I spoke to this lady and ask her "Could you please consider the other people and post your letter to the other larger Post office?" And she said, "Now is not APARTHEID why I have to consider your people?"

and that one lady is a racist, but are you going to let one lady sway your views on "Africans"? she also speaks like you write, so i'd need more evidence

Any different countries have different problem, China had problem or not I think it is out of topic. But I don't think China's problems are more easier to solve than the Africa's one.

china has different cultures and different ways of lives. not all people, cultures and governments are the same. another way of looking at it is that you could have said the afrikaners had 50 years to turn this into an amazing country, better than China becoz they never had any invasions.

So you said African poeple have lower civilisation than the others people?
I am telling you, you are RASCIST now.

i'm not racist, sorry if i gave you that idea if you know how many times China has been invaded you might also know how many books and poems they had written. do you know the weapons they made? do you know where martial arts came from? it's not about who has what achievments, it's about who branched off in what direction. it doesn't make people any less human.

and if i remember correctly, it was you saying that Africans couldn't do anything in 15 years

No one said that.
African people have to know how the problems can be solved by learning the other's experiences.

are they not entitled to their own history and future? did America learn from the Great Depression?

Doesn't matter, at least you understand and know how to reply.
I hope that if I use the other language you will understand better.

For next time may be better I talk to you in ZULU? But I don't know zulu...... sorry.

......

 

[Frankie]

Zimbabwe is hindered from progressing because of limitations on trade imposed by the west.

ROFL
In your dreams, and no we don't fall for that BS.

South Africa is a special case, unfortunately the former oppressors do not realise the extent of damage caused by Apartheid.

ROFL
And the scumbag ANC, just like most other African leaders, chose to run it into the ground instead of building on what they took over from the so called evil white apartheid regime.

Why does an Accomplished state like USA which has a black President have AA?

Just proof that it's not an issue with colour, but rather mentality.
African leaders have always chosen to rape their own people in their quest to enrich themselves.


Now, what is your excuse again as to why the ANC chose to allow the degradation of infrastructure instead of building it up from the time they took the reigns?

 

[Frankie]

Your absolutely right, my calculations were flawed, the percentage growth for 94-2008 is a modest 63%, thats still not too bad.

Talking about exchange rates, does it really matter?

I don't do math, I have people who are paid to the job

You could have remained quiet and kept us guessing, but you chose to shoot your mouth off, and ...................

 

[Frankie]

Some awesome PWNAGE in this thread

And too thick to realise it

 

[kkcheuk]

>China never ask for a cent compensation from any invaders.
Was China invaded for Economic or Power purposes?

I don't understand the point, is that any relationship?
China not ask for compensation -> forgiveness, but does not imply not need for assistant from others. (The time is just after WW2). In the same period of time, what African Countries doing? Asking their former colonist for money.

"Was China invaded for Economic or Power Purposes?"
Invalid point -> China invaded which country? Can you tell me? I never heard that. Do you mean Economic Invasion? Also never heard about that. China is "World Factory" everybody knew that, but "Made it China" the real money behind is not from China, also from the West. You missed the point or you never know what's happeninng in the world.

China never need "AA" or "BEE" for fixing the past.
Its hard to respond to this statement without sounding a bit anal. What's the population ratio between the Chinese and the invaders?

You are clearly don't know what's in China, why you want to argue?
Do your homework before you pick the argument.
What I mean about "AA" or "BEE" was China do not have "similer" action.
If you referred to China nowaday, they will not ask the foreign companies in China have to have "BEE". But SA did. Think about this, they don't have such hatred toward White, on the other hand, they have to learn more better English or other foreign Languages. They will not have the "SIMILAR" statement like "English is the barrier and used to fail our pupils in matric which from APARTHEID."

China never ask western country for any assistant.
Economic invasion or Power invasion?

Same as above, don't want to repeat.
I found you have "Lack of abilities" for agrument.

Who did it for Chinese people? Only themselves.
In a world full of Economic Hitmen, that is an invalid question. Zimbabwe is hindered from progressing because of limitations on trade imposed by the west.

You prove thing inversely. (Not prove by inverse)
You made the "result" to become "because".

Zimbabwe is poor not becuase "limitations on trade imposed by the west."
It is a result.

Zimbabwe -> limitations on trade imposed by the west." because their invasion white farms, imply -> they getting poor.

I don't understand what is the cause by China here?

History will tell you that because of intense relations between Russia/USSR and the West, a superpower had to rise in Asia to limit the threat from the Soviets. You cannot develop a superpower without growing the economy. If all the Western companies were to pull out of China what do you think would happen? Do you think that China would stand? There are reasons why China is where it is and the least can be attributed to the people of China. There are reasons why Middle-East will always be kept unstable.

Once again.
We are talking about how China is getting better from last 20 years but why not African Countries. We are not talking about now what's happening.

And your statement is completely BS, do the follow New24

"If all the Western companies were to pull out of ________ what do you think would happen?"

Fill in please.

You are put any Country name here and also valid.

South Africa is a special case, unfortunately the former oppressors do not realise the extent of damage caused by Apartheid.

• South Africa was divided by Race
• Worst: Within Blacks, South Africa was devided by ethnicity through Batustans
• A certain race denied Economic participation
• Different service levels for Blacks and Whites.
• Blacks were denied the right to own land.

Why does an Accomplished state like USA which has a black President have AA?

Every countries have the similar problems. Delete "race" issue and you will make more sense.

[*]Within Blacks, South Africa was devided by ethnicity through Batustans[/B][*]A certain race denied Economic participation

"You think the other race do not have similar issue? China have far more than that."

[*]Different service levels for Blacks and Whites.
"Remove RACE issue, you found that is problem between RICH and POOR"

[*]Blacks were denied the right to own land.
"You think only BLACK have that problem? You can found in any countries. Let me remain you the poblem can be solved by MONEY.
Why BLACK denied the right to own land because -> NO MONEY.
Other countries have the same problem. NO MONEY -> NO LAND, I don't find the differences.

I concluded what is the root problem of these people -----> NO MONEY.

Money is not from any other people.
WORK HARD!!!!! MAN!!!! You will make more money.

Not just "power fighting" you will have a better life.
Not just "strike" you will have a better life.
Not just "ask for compensation" you will have a better life.
Not just "getting drunk every weekend" you will have a better life.

Getting better life only by "WORKING HARD."
ALL PEOPLE WORKING HARD NOW ------> Your next generation will have a better life.

but

ALL PEOPLE NOT WORKING HARD NOW ------> Your generations never have a better life.

Comments: NEW24 you do not have enough logical thinking for argument, and you are mixing everything in the same time. You have to learn how to "prove" before you make the argument.

(I mean AFRICA Countries, other countries I think they work hard enough for past 200 years.)

 

[kkcheuk]

if you're born in South Africa you could qualify as a South African it's all how you want to see yourself. also, if you're part of a country then naturally we are by default part of that country's future.

Question: You mean ...... white african, balck african, colour african, asia african..............? But you asked me "Are you African?" not "Are you South African?" I did say African but I mean "BLACK AFRICAN ONLY".

and that one lady is a racist, but are you going to let one lady sway your views on "Africans"? she also speaks like you write, so i'd need more evidence

After she said, everyone behind me left. It is a true story. And I have more, you what to hear? I have this type of story EVERYDAY!

china has different cultures and different ways of lives. not all people, cultures and governments are the same. another way of looking at it is that you could have said the afrikaners had 50 years to turn this into an amazing country, better than China becoz they never had any invasions.

Yes, I agree. But my topic is target for "Chinese" and "African", but not "White" or "afrikaners".

China they had invasions, but I think it is out of what I want to say.
I am talking about past 150 years not thousand of years of history.

i'm not racist, sorry if i gave you that idea if you know how many times China has been invaded you might also know how many books and poems they had written. do you know the weapons they made? do you know where martial arts came from? it's not about who has what achievments, it's about who branched off in what direction. it doesn't make people any less human.

Yes. China made the weapons about 1100 AC. They have gun powder about 700 - 900 A.C. (May be the time I am wrong, don't remember correctly).
Gun powder and weapons are the war against European countries transferred from mid-east aisa to Europe.

But I have to correct you about the history. Han and Mong is different races. "Invaded Europe" is not Han, is Mong (Mongolian, today Mongolia). After the invaded Sung (Nation Name of China, about 1300 AC), Mong have the gun powder and weapon and then invaded Europe and Mid-East. Chinese (Han) also suffer from Mongolian, not only European. (Chinese only accept Mong is part of Chinese from 1911, before Mong is a seperate nation from China)

and if i remember correctly, it was you saying that Africans couldn't do anything in 15 years

mis-quote, I said why Chinese can fix their 150 yrs woulded past in 20 years, why South Africa cannot fix their would past in 15 yrs. You are Wrong.

are they not entitled to their own history and future? did America learn from the Great Depression?

Ask them. I want to know also.

......

I am joking. If you feel offended..........sorry

 

[daveza]

Question: You mean ...... white african, balck african, colour african, asia african..............? But you asked me "Are you African?" not "Are you South African?" I did say African but I mean "BLACK AFRICAN ONLY".

Could you please clarify:- I am white and born in Africa - am I an African or not ?

 

[STS]

Question: You mean ...... white african, balck african, colour african, asia african..............? But you asked me "Are you African?" not "Are you South African?" I did say African but I mean "BLACK AFRICAN ONLY".

i thought you might have meant that, that is why i asked, but even tho african's are largely represented by otehr african people, we are still part of this beautiful country, we should never feel left out

After she said, everyone behind me left. It is a true story. And I have more, you what to hear? I have this type of story EVERYDAY!

i have similiar experiences, but with afrikaans speaking people. people are individuals tho i've never had a black man or woman be disrespectful to me, and that is just from personal experience.

Yes, I agree. But my topic is target for "Chinese" and "African", but not "White" or "afrikaners".

China they had invasions, but I think it is out of what I want to say.
I am talking about past 150 years not thousand of years of history.

i'm just making a comparison too, and showing that we are a very very different country trying so hard to make it better

Yes. China made the weapons about 1100 AC. They have gun powder about 700 - 900 A.C. (May be the time I am wrong, don't remember correctly).
Gun powder and weapons are the war against European countries transferred from mid-east aisa to Europe.

But I have to correct you about the history. Han and Mong is different races. "Invaded Europe" is not Han, is Mong (Mongolian, today Mongolia). After the invaded Sung (Nation Name of China, about 1300 AC), Mong have the gun powder and weapon and then invaded Europe and Mid-East. Chinese (Han) also suffer from Mongolian, not only European. (Chinese only accept Mong is part of Chinese from 1911, before Mong is a seperate nation from China)

i never knew that, thanks

mis-quote, I said why Chinese can fix their 150 yrs woulded past in 20 years, why South Africa cannot fix their would past in 15 yrs. You are Wrong.

sorry if i misquoted, it wasn't intentional, i misunderstood

I am joking. If you feel offended..........sorry

[/QUOTE]

i wasn't offended, i just wondered why you'd pick Zulu of all languages

 

[kkcheuk]

Could you please clarify:- I am white and born in Africa - am I an African or not ?

hahahahahahahahahaha

 

[daveza]

I'll take that as a yes then.

 

[Eniigma]

Without getting into any personal attacks, you may wish to hold off on comments like

lastly, to make fun of someone's maths skills when your english is so atrocious is funny

and

... she also speaks like you write, so i'd need more evidence

When your own grasp of grammar and the English language is not that great.

if you're born in South Africa you could qualify as a South African it's all how you want to see yourself. also ...

....the afrikaners had 50 years to turn this into an amazing country, better than China becoz they never had any invasions.



i'm not... if i .... what achievments ....

......

 

[STS]

Without getting into any personal attacks, you may wish to hold off on comments

i never criticised anyone's maths or english skills in a mockful way besides my choice to use small letters and to shorten "because", what else do you have against my grammar?

When your own grasp of grammar and the English language is not that great.

i'd also like to let you know that my grasp on english is PERFECT, thank you. i think it's more important to communicate ideas than to jump on people for every typo and uncapitalized letter

 

[Eniigma]

besides my choice to use small letters and to shorten "because", what else do you have against my grammar?

i'd also like to let you know that my grasp on english is PERFECT, thank you. i think it's more important to communicate ideas than to jump on people for every typo and uncapitalized letter

I only commented on it, because twice you made reference to kkcheuk's poor spelling, grammar and language skills.

Anyway one thing I think we can agree on before further going off topic, is that we've beaten this horse to death.

 

[STS]

I only commented on it, because twice you made reference to kkcheuk's poor spelling, grammar and language skills.

Anyway one thing I think we can agree on before further going off topic, is that we've beaten this horse to death.

nope, we can still kick it a few more times
but often things get lost in translation or people exaggerate. it may not be in kkcheuk's case, but i've heard a lot of stories about black people threatening white people and telling them "we're going to kill your wives and children when Madiba dies" and ofteneven worse it fits in with their diction and grammar that they use

 

[Frankie]

I don't do math, I have people who are paid to the job

He who blows his own trumpet plays in a one man band