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I have a question I would like to ask, and it will probably piss many people off, but tough luck. I see so many native Africans complaining about the white man who stole their land and it's resources. Now mining and farming are good examples. Now my opinion is that if the Oppenheimers didn't start mining, all those diamons and minerals would still be under the ground. So what are those resources that we are stealing from the natives, besides land? :sick:
 
oooohhhh now you gonna get it........ you were warned.

I have one question if I stole the land why oh why am I paying a bond off?

I demand it for free now. I am already accused of the crime so I demand for free then
 
In truth the fight shouldn't be: whites stole minerals and land and sold it. The issue should be whites took land and minerals while oppressing using "slave" labour/apartheid and other tools to exploit.

Shouldn't be about the land and minerals as much as it should be about Apartheid, the Dop stelsel and other oppresive techniques which caused lasting effects.
 
Vegeta said:
Shouldn't be about the land and minerals as much as it should be about Apartheid, the Dop stelsel and other oppresive techniques which caused lasting effects.
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You can create your own thread about Apartheid and the Dop stelsel, dompas, curfew, etc etc, I'm not interested in that, we know all about it already. I'm interested in whether the natives would have mined the diamonds and gold if the Westerers dind't do it. And since there was nothing when we came here a mere 358 or so years ago, why would there have been anything now?
 
Slootvreter said:
You can create your own thread about Apartheid and the Dop stelsel, dompas, curfew, etc etc, I'm not interested in that, we know all about it already. I'm interested in whether the natives would have mined the diamonds and gold if the Westerers dind't do it. And since there was nothing when we came here a mere 358 or so years ago, why would there have been anything now?
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I suppose eventually they would have mined it but thats not important, what i'm trying to say is that the "natives" as you say shouldn't be so focused on the assets that were lost they should be more concerned about the systems(Apartheid and the Dop stelsel, dompas, curfew, etc) that was created to oppress them in order to take control of resources. Because those systems had lasting socio-economic effects whereas money, resources and business come and go.

What i'm trying to say is land grabs and the like don't focus on the right aspect of what happened when "whites" took control.
 
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Vegeta said:
I suppose eventually they would have mined it but thats not important, what i'm trying to say is that the "natives" as you say shouldn't be so focused on the assets that were lost they should be more concerned about the systems(Apartheid and the Dop stelsel, dompas, curfew, etc) that was created to oppress them in order to take control of resources. Because those systems had lasting socio-economic effects whereas money, resources and business come and go.
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I agree, they shouldn't focus on their precious lost gold and diamonds, because they never had it in the first place. :rolleyes:
 
Did grapes grow here?
did oranges grow here?
did mielies grow here
did corn grow here?
did the the tribes here burried their dead in gold coffins.........

Blah blah blah rex..
 
The harsh reality is:

Africans are consumers, not producers.
 
Actually no-one can argue that land was stolen from them. The whole country was the land of my ancestors before the people from the north came south and "displaced" "my people". And the people who came from further north first came south and then north again actually bought the land from "my people" for those awesome looking clothes and other trinkets.

So as Vegeta said, it should not be about the land and more about the unfair practices.
 
African peoples have been mining gold for thousands of years. Not very deep mining (they didn't have the technology to do that) and they used slave labour (the khoisan). Read Michiners "the Covenant" for a fictionalized example.
 
I realise you have probably put very little thought into the matter and really just started the thread to be controversial but the point is that blacks were not allowed to benefit from mining and agriculture. They were suppressed and forced into a position of cheap labour only.

I don't know why you felt the need to start your own thread as this was already being covered in the land reform thread. Do yourself a favour and read through it. Also familiarise yourself with the land act of 1913 and what it did to black farmers.
 
phoneJunky said:
Actually no-one can argue that land was stolen from them. The whole country was the land of my ancestors before the people from the north came south and "displaced" "my people". And the people who came from further north first came south and then north again actually bought the land from "my people" for those awesome looking clothes and other trinkets.

So as Vegeta said, it should not be about the land and more about the unfair practices.
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Well I'm only concerned about the land and resources here. There are other threads about the unfair practices. ;)

TooFastTim said:
African peoples have been mining gold for thousands of years. Not very deep mining (they didn't have the technology to do that) and they used slave labour (the khoisan). Read Michiners "the Covenant" for a fictionalized example.
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I'm not talking about sifting the soil and in the rivers, but deep mining. So you sort of understand my question, then.

LancelotSA said:
I realise you have probably put very little thought into the matter and really just started the thread to be controversial but the point is that blacks were not allowed to benefit from mining and agriculture. They were suppressed and forced into a position of cheap labour only.

I don't know why you felt the need to start your own thread as this was already being covered in the land reform thread. Do yourself a favour and read through it. Also familiarise yourself with the land act of 1913 and what it did to black farmers.
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No this matter does not need a lot of thought. We got here, there was nothing, besides the fact that the natives had the whole country to themselves since forever before 1652.
 
Slootvreter said:
No this matter does not need a lot of thought. We got here, there was nothing, besides the fact that the natives had the whole country to themselves since forever before 1652.
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And likewise there was nothing in Europe or America either before development and progress! Do you think white people were created with cars and mines?!?! :rolleyes:
 
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