Africans and resources

[TooFastTim]

Lancelot, great wrongs have been committed certainly but equating apartheid with slavery or the holocaust is stretching it

 

[Kloofvreter]

Please move thread to philosophical debates as it's clearly about "what if"

Sadly true, but that's not what I wanted it to be. My point was this:

Why I started this thread is because of the ANCYL moaning about us robbing them from their resources, while I believe they would not have been able to extract it themselves had we not started doing it. But I'm trying to keep anything political out of this conversation. Perhaps this indicated where I'm coming from with my ori****l post?

Now why is that word (original) censored?

 

[R13...]

I have a question I would like to ask, and it will probably piss many people off, but tough luck. I see so many native Africans complaining about the white man who stole their land and it's resources. Now mining and farming are good examples. Now my opinion is that if the Oppenheimers didn't start mining, all those diamons and minerals would still be under the ground. So what are those resources that we are stealing from the natives, besides land?

You are naively (or whitely) assuming the natives would not have progressed beyond mud huts & animal skins, aren't you? And that's were your argument fails.

 

[Mila]

Sadly true, but that's not what I wanted it to be. My point was this:



Now why is that word (original) censored?

Finger fault maybe? anal maybe? No not anal..
vaginal maybe?

Nope...

 

[LancelotSA]

Lancelot, great wrongs have been committed certainly but equating apartheid with slavery or the holocaust is stretching it

As far as I am aware we were referring to an era long before the 1900s....

 

[LancelotSA]

You are naively (or whitely) assuming the natives would not have progressed beyond mud huts & animal skins, aren't you? And that's were your argument fails.

Yip, my point precisely.... as a white person these sort of comments make me cringe.

 

[Kloofvreter]

Um, where did I say that? I said if they were allowed to progress and develop themselves instead of being suppressed they would not doubt have reached that stage themselves!!

Mines were not here when we came here. The people have been around forever, yet there was nothing. Do you think that they would have started mining their gold and diamonds in the past 360 years if we never came? Thousands of years of existence, and suddenly a spurt of progress in the last few years?

 

[TooFastTim]

You are naively (or whitely) assuming the natives would not have progressed beyond mud huts & animal skins, aren't you? And that's were your argument fails.

They couldn't R13... they had neither the wheel nor a written language. This doomed them. To assume that they could have developed both in the space of 350 yrs would be wishful thinking.

 

[Mila]

You are naively (or whitely) assuming the natives would not have progressed beyond mud huts & animal skins, aren't you? And that's were your argument fails.

WE needed each other to get to it? Whiteys knew where to find it and needed help to get there? If there were no whiteys there would have been no demand for it and no demand means no need to go dig for it?

 

[Kloofvreter]

You are naively (or whitely) assuming the natives would not have progressed beyond mud huts & animal skins, aren't you? And that's were your argument fails.

Which argument?

 

[TooFastTim]

Slavery was relatively small in SA (the brits being vehemently opposed to it) the relatively few slaves in SA were mostly malay and indonesian origin.

 

[Mila]

New thread maybe?

Dig up Porn thread!!! YAYAYAYAY!!

 

[Kloofvreter]

They couldn't R13... they had neither the wheel nor a written language. This doomed them. To assume that they could have developed both in the space of 350 yrs would be wishful thinking.

Spot on. This is my point also. But íts sure to bring a lot of criticism my way because it sounds so harsh, but luckily I don't care if anyone hates my online persona

 

[Gawain]

Slavery was relatively small in SA (the brits being vehemently opposed to it) the relatively few slaves in SA were mostly malay and indonesian origin.

Go to the library and read "the Afrikaaner" a complete unbios history from when the V.O.C landed here untill 2002

 

[LancelotSA]

No further point arguing this it seems as some people will always have the need to feel that whites are far superior to black people. They will always be inferior to us in their eyes!

 

[Kloofvreter]

No further point arguing this it seems as some people will always have the need to feel that whites are far superior to black people. They will always be inferior to us in their eyes!

LOL, I didn't say they are inferior, just the argument that we stole and exploited their resources and now they want it back, as if we stole already operating mines and refineries, etc etc from them

 

[R13...]

They couldn't R13... they had neither the wheel nor a written language. This doomed them. To assume that they could have developed both in the space of 350 yrs would be wishful thinking.

Truth is no one knows what would have become of them...
If less evil white people had discovered Africa instead of the lot that did, then things could have turned out a lot different. Unfortunately those who arrived in Africa took full advantage of the native's lack of sophistication to subjugate, enslave & treat them unfairly.

 

[Vegeta]

According to the Bible Adam and Eve was created in the image of God. And according to all the knowledge we have he was rather more white than black, then God punished people for in fighting and he created different languages and I guess then he made some Back people too, cause where else did they come from?

WTF :wtf:
bwwwwwwwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah sheat you're kiddin me! seriously you cannot possibly be serious hehehehehehe ROFLMFAOFFSTSIFH!

 

[Kloofvreter]

Truth is no one knows what would have become of them...
If less evil white people had discovered Africa instead of the lot that did, then things could have turned out a lot different. Unfortunately those who arrived in Africa took full advantage of the native's lack of sophistication to subjugate, enslave & treat them unfairly.

And if less evil whites (LOL) came here, they could have taught them how to mine and build buildings and ships, etc, instead of enslaving them?

 

[LancelotSA]

The human discovery that round nodules of flint can be split and chipped to form a sharp edge is extremely ancient. Tools made in this way have been found in Africa from about 2.5 million years ago.

An event of crucial importance in the development of technology is man's taming of fire. This probably happens some 500,000 years ago in China, where the caves occupied by Peking man contain what appear to be hearths. Some experts believe there is evidence of the use of fire much earlier in south Africa.

The camel has an even more convenient hump. Its height makes it less suitable for draught purposes than the ox, but from perhaps 1000 BC it is used in Asia and north Africa for drawing wagons and for ploughing.

Of course the argument will be put forward that the only reason this happened was because white man lived in Africa back then... and how can it ever be proven.