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I am in the process of cancelling my data contract with MTN and wanted to get a SIM card with some data to stick in the iPad for when I'm not on wifi. I ordered a 2GB a month package from Afrihost. This is in addition to my domain hosting and other mobile data accounts. After I've signed up and committed myself, I get a snotty email telling me that they refuse to ship until my R62 debit order is processed (in 5 days time). I can log onto the client zone and add 10GB data immediately and get invoiced the next day, but I'm too untrustworthy to ship a free SIM card for an extra 2GB a month?

Not only that, but address verification tool for delivery is still stuffed, exactly the same as it was when I reported it a year ago. And I see from the thread that they still haven't sorted out the error where they lock your account even though you've got plenty of data.

Afrihost are slowly turning into MTN. Poor service, ignore customer requests and treat your customers as if you're doing them a huge favour taking their money out their bank accounts, and don't worry if you actually provide the service or not.
 
I am in the process of cancelling my data contract with MTN and wanted to get a SIM card with some data to stick in the iPad for when I'm not on wifi. I ordered a 2GB a month package from Afrihost. This is in addition to my domain hosting and other mobile data accounts. After I've signed up and committed myself, I get a snotty email telling me that they refuse to ship until my R62 debit order is processed (in 5 days time). I can log onto the client zone and add 10GB data immediately and get invoiced the next day, but I'm too untrustworthy to ship a free SIM card for an extra 2GB a month?

Not only that, but address verification tool for delivery is still stuffed, exactly the same as it was when I reported it a year ago. And I see from the thread that they still haven't sorted out the error where they lock your account even though you've got plenty of data.

Afrihost are slowly turning into MTN. Poor service, ignore customer requests and treat your customers as if you're doing them a huge favour taking their money out their bank accounts, and don't worry if you actually provide the service or not.

The payment component I'm afraid is part of the system, we will only process an order once all outstanding balances are settled. We've had significant issues in the past where Client's sign-up large orders, and once shipped reverse the debit order payment.

With regards to the address verification tool, that should be functioning correctly now, what error do you receive during the sign-up?
 
The payment component I'm afraid is part of the system, we will only process an order once all outstanding balances are settled. We've had significant issues in the past where Client's sign-up large orders, and once shipped reverse the debit order payment.

Don't make the excuse that the "system" doesn't allow it. Good businesses will adjust their systems to meet their clients needs. Bad businesses use them as an excuse. I'm a long standing Afrihost customer, not a new sign up. All I'm asking for is a SIM card and data, not the Crown Jewels. The pro-rata cost is R62. And for that you're prepared to annoy a customer who spends around R400 a month, every month.

Seriously, fix your systems. You're not shipping hardware, and you're not shipping to an unknown quantity, you're shipping a SIM card to an existing client in good standing.

The "significant issue" you have is that you're telling your existing clients that you don't trust them and that's not a good business model.

Additionally, the time to tell me that you don't trust me is just before you ask me to click to confirm. Don't accept my payment method without a word, and two hours later send me a snotty email telling me you're holding shipping back because you think I'm going to abscond with your SIM card and blow 1.7GB of your precious data.


With regards to the address verification tool, that should be functioning correctly now, what error do you receive during the sign-up?

The address verification insists on a suburb where none exists and insists I use CBD as the only option. I do not work in the CBD. It also insists on a street number, and there isn't one. It asks me for the company name, and then leaves that off the address that it uses. For the parcel to get to me, three things are needed: my name, the company name and the town (including the postal code for redundancy).

So the errors I get are
It refuses to accept an address without a street number, forcing me to put a dummy (and incorrect) number in.
It refuses to accept an address without a suburb, forcing me to select CBD as a suburb, which is wrong.
It ignores the company name, which is probably the most important part, even more useful than the name of the road.

In short it was drawn up by someone with a very narrow view on what constitutes a valid address and little imagination. It also means that I have had to ask for the address to be changed by email. And that addresss is also going to be wrong, and I'm going to have to explain the address over the phone to the courier company. Again.

I honestly wish I'd remembered all this crap before I placed this order. It's not how business is meant to be.
 
The payment component I'm afraid is part of the system, we will only process an order once all outstanding balances are settled. We've had significant issues in the past where Client's sign-up large orders, and once shipped reverse the debit order payment.

Don't make the excuse that the "system" doesn't allow it. Good businesses will adjust their systems to meet their clients needs. Bad businesses use them as an excuse. I'm a long standing Afrihost customer, not a new sign up. All I'm asking for is a SIM card and data, not the Crown Jewels. The pro-rata cost is R62. And for that you're prepared to annoy a customer who spends around R400 a month, every month.

Seriously, fix your systems. You're not shipping hardware, and you're not shipping to an unknown quantity, you're shipping a SIM card to an existing client in good standing.

The "significant issue" you have is that you're telling your existing clients that you don't trust them and that's not a good business model.

Additionally, the time to tell me that you don't trust me is just before you ask me to click to confirm. Don't accept my payment method without a word, and two hours later send me a snotty email telling me you're holding shipping back because you think I'm going to abscond with your SIM card and blow 1.7GB of your precious data.


With regards to the address verification tool, that should be functioning correctly now, what error do you receive during the sign-up?

The address verification insists on a suburb where none exists and insists I use CBD as the only option. I do not work in the CBD. It also insists on a street number, and there isn't one. It asks me for the company name, and then leaves that off the address that it uses. For the parcel to get to me, three things are needed: my name, the company name and the town (including the postal code for redundancy).

So the errors I get are
It refuses to accept an address without a street number, forcing me to put a dummy (and incorrect) number in.
It refuses to accept an address without a suburb, forcing me to select CBD as a suburb, which is wrong.
It ignores the company name, which is probably the most important part, even more useful than the name of the road.

In short it was drawn up by someone with a very narrow view on what constitutes a valid address and little imagination. It also means that I have had to ask for the address to be changed by email. And that addresss is also going to be wrong, and I'm going to have to explain the address over the phone to the courier company. Again.

I honestly wish I'd remembered all this crap before I placed this order. It's not how business is meant to be.
 
Very strange! May have been that Capped error message cropping up again. If it happens again please let me know!

Happen to me on LTE. When you guys had an issue with your clientzone the other day. Throughput was horrendously terrible wanted to throw my phone to the wall.. I did a payment online and that **** happens.

@Colin62 use a credit card problem solved the funds get charged immediately. Same thing happens with insurance companies if the funds haven't left your account the policy is null and void until such time all outstanding money has been settled. I would like you to order a contract now from MTN / Vodacom telephonically using a debit order they won't release anything until finds have been cleared.. How would you like if someone placed an order for a product and decided to reverse the debit order. You'll be surprised many people actually do it not saying you are one. Just apply for a virtual credit card online.... I understand your frustration, unfortunately if you were a contract user they would have gladly done it but you receiving a prepaid package be happy at the price you pay if you u happy get yourself a prepaid sim card and buy data bundles.
 
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Good Morning Afriguy,

Are you aware of issues on MTN at the moment ?
Could you please have a look at my account ?
 
@Colin62 use a credit card problem solved the funds get charged immediately.

If, when I was placing the order, they bothered to inform me that there would be a delay if I merely added this new data contract to my existing data contracts, I may well have opted to pay by credit card. They didn't. They waited a couple of hours and then sent me an email telling me that there would be a five day delay.


...unfortunately if you were a contract user they would have gladly done it but you receiving a prepaid package be happy at the price you pay if you u happy get yourself a prepaid sim card and buy data bundles.

I am a contract user, and they didn't gladly do it. It took me twenty two and a half minutes on the phone to their help desk to get them to do it. The idiot wanted to approach a director of the company for a R62 account. I have an 8GB a month contract, a 1GB contract, a domain hosted with them and I have their Plus thing to get a few extras. Apparently I have an ADSL account with them too, but I don't use that cos I don't have a landline. I'm not at all sure what you're trying to say about pre-paid, but it's not relevant. I have contracts with them, and I wanted an extra couple of GB on contract for my iPad.

Just apply for a virtual credit card online.... I understand your frustration.

I have three or four credit cards for various things. I don't need a credit card. I need to be told what the situation is before I place the order. I wouldn't want to use a credit card for a monthly contract, because I've had issues in the past where the card is reissued and the debit orders stop working. My vodacom account was suspended while I was on holiday because of that, and as the whole family's phones were all on the same account, I had to get it sorted out from the middle of the Karoo using a landline to phone the help desk. I'm not planning on repeating that experience.
 
Second time in a couple days that both Sims just stop working, connect but not though put. Very annoying
 
Afrihost seems to be going downhill

Second time in a couple days that both Sims just stop working, connect but not though put. Very annoying

What gets me is that Afrihost still display the GREEN LIGHT as I type this, having to use my Vodacom connection to rant here!

Really, they do not offer the best value for money currently, I mailed them last week to ask, nothing is in the pipeline for the immediate future!

What now Afrihost? At least admit that there is a problem currently and let us know what you are planning to do about it!
 
What gets me is that Afrihost still display the GREEN LIGHT as I type this, having to use my Vodacom connection to rant here!

Really, they do not offer the best value for money currently, I mailed them last week to ask, nothing is in the pipeline for the immediate future!

What now Afrihost? At least admit that there is a problem currently and let us know what you are planning to do about it!

Only way to fix the problem is to contact afrihost and politely ask them to reset your mobile profile. It happens time to time. I think it happens cause of the network switching between edge / 3 g / lte.. I wish they had a mechanism in place where by the client can reset the profile - every time you phone the data help desk you get charged a premium rate and free telkom minutes aren't applicable..

On Wednesday/Thursday had issues with international connectivity
 
If, when I was placing the order, they bothered to inform me that there would be a delay if I merely added this new data contract to my existing data contracts, I may well have opted to pay by credit card. They didn't. They waited a couple of hours and then sent me an email telling me that there would be a five day delay.

I am a contract user, and they didn't gladly do it. It took me twenty two and a half minutes on the phone to their help desk to get them to do it. The idiot wanted to approach a director of the company for a R62 account. I have an 8GB a month contract, a 1GB contract, a domain hosted with them and I have their Plus thing to get a few extras. Apparently I have an ADSL account with them too, but I don't use that cos I don't have a landline. I'm not at all sure what you're trying to say about pre-paid, but it's not relevant. I have contracts with them, and I wanted an extra couple of GB on contract for my iPad.

I have three or four credit cards for various things. I don't need a credit card. I need to be told what the situation is before I place the order. I wouldn't want to use a credit card for a monthly contract, because I've had issues in the past where the card is reissued and the debit orders stop working. My vodacom account was suspended while I was on holiday because of that, and as the whole family's phones were all on the same account, I had to get it sorted out from the middle of the Karoo using a landline to phone the help desk. I'm not planning on repeating that experience.

You make a lot of accusations here about bad business practices, but I take particular offence to you referring to our people as idiots. If I were to do the same, I'm sure you would be the first to call that unprofessional, so let's have that type of courtesy run both ways shall we.

Here's the reality, our website CLEARLY states that this is the case, before you purchase the anything from us, and the onus is entirely upon the purchaser to ensure that they have read and understood the relevant information before they enter into an agreement. This is "informed consent". Not only that you have understood the information, but that the seller has made efforts to make you reasonably aware of what's going on.

This is on the Mobile Data page which is clearly visible to any member of the public.

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There is no need to wait for debit orders to clear on APN because we don't incur hard costs like providing & provisioning a SIM, packing your parcel and also paying a courier to come out to wherever you are. We simply provision data on a number, and we suspend the service if you payment bounces.

Hope that explains everything for you ;)
 
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Happen to me on LTE. When you guys had an issue with your clientzone the other day. Throughput was horrendously terrible wanted to throw my phone to the wall.. I did a payment online and that **** happens.

@Colin62 use a credit card problem solved the funds get charged immediately. Same thing happens with insurance companies if the funds haven't left your account the policy is null and void until such time all outstanding money has been settled. I would like you to order a contract now from MTN / Vodacom telephonically using a debit order they won't release anything until finds have been cleared.. How would you like if someone placed an order for a product and decided to reverse the debit order. You'll be surprised many people actually do it not saying you are one. Just apply for a virtual credit card online.... I understand your frustration, unfortunately if you were a contract user they would have gladly done it but you receiving a prepaid package be happy at the price you pay if you u happy get yourself a prepaid sim card and buy data bundles.

Sucks about the LTE service. Not sure if that was related to ClientZone, but with Stage 2 loadshedding around the country, eish .... :(

You make an excellent point around payments. We actually do have clients that reverse debit orders, do charge backs on credit cards months after the purchase, so in the balance of things there is always a much bigger risk to the business than there is to the client :(

Afrihost has 15 year track record (or it will be 15 years in August) so I think we've tailored our systems to give loyal clients as much leeway as we possibly can to reward those who pay us regularly without problems, and to even terminate clients who don't so that we can focus on giving our paying clients better benefits and trust. I don't think any other company can actually say that.
 
You make a lot of accusations here about bad business practices, but I take particular offence to you referring to our people as idiots. If I were to do the same, I'm sure you would be the first to call that unprofessional, so let's have that type of courtesy run both ways shall we.

You're perfectly correct - it was out of line of me to refer to your staff as idiots, and I apologise for that, they actually handled my rather irate call well for the most of it. Of course, when I asked for a manager, they were "all in a meeting", and I had to insist before one was found.

I still believe that for a manager to need bother a director (of a company the size of Afrihost) over a matter of R62 is idiocy though, but it's not the staff's fault that they have their hands ties like that.

Here's the reality, our website CLEARLY states that this is the case, before you purchase the anything from us, and the onus is entirely upon the purchaser to ensure that they have read and understood the relevant information before they enter into an agreement. This is "informed consent". Not only that you have understood the information, but that the seller has made efforts to make you reasonably aware of what's going on.

This is on the Mobile Data page which is clearly visible to any member of the public.

Using all caps for the word CLEARLY does not make the (literally) small print any clearer. You've had customers on MyBB complaining of the exact issue I faced in the past. Yet you chose to address that not by adding a message in the confirmation process to let the user know that their choice of using the existing and in place system of debit order will adversely affect the delivery date, but by sending them an email a couple of hours later, when it's already done and dusted. An email titled "Payment Delayed" that starts with "Debit Order Clearance Delay" in letters much larger than your "CLEARLY" and much, much larger than the small print. It seems to me there are more productive options than the route you chose.

Continuing to refer back to the policy and system does not work in this argument - I'm not asking to be treated outside of your policy, I'm trying to get you to think critically about those policies and systems and hopefully adjust them. Of course, I made the mistake of calling your staff idiots, which means that you can justify ignoring everything I say as ranting. Please prove me wrong (again) by not doing that.

There is no need to wait for debit orders to clear on APN because we don't incur hard costs like providing & provisioning a SIM, packing your parcel and also paying a courier to come out to wherever you are. We simply provision data on a number, and we suspend the service if you payment bounces.

The thing that makes even less sense is that it's a lot easier to reverse a credit card payent than a debit order. But those are fine? Additionally, I can burn through a hell of a lot more then R62 worth of data in 5 days. If I couldn't, you'd not have any customers to annoy. So forgive me for not being convinced that your systems are logical.

The fact remains that you treat your existing customers (and the cost of a SIM isn't all that much) as you would a walk-in you have never dealt with before. The very fact that after a phone call, your accounts department agreed to set aside the delay and commence with shipping on my order also serves as proof that it's not a big deal.

Hope that explains everything for you ;)

There is nothing that you have explained that I didn't understand already.

What would have prevented me getting annoyed enough to post here is amazingly simple. A warning when I selected adding the account to my debit order that it would cause a delay which could be prevented by using a credit card for the initial payment. Simple isn't it? Or a different approach - a quick look at my existing account and the fact that there's never been an issue with my debit orders, and that you've got my domain to hold hostage if I default on my payments, and compare it to the small amount involved and reward your customer's loyalty with a little trust. But I'm prepared to put money on it that if I order something from Afrihost in a year's time, that I'll get no warning, and additionally that the address verification tool will still not work properly.

So why continue to irritate your customers? Why not pay attention to the feedback that they're giving you and consider updating your systems from paranoid to merely cautious? You have issues (like the early capping of users with plenty of bandwidth) that are technically tricky and hard to pin down, but here's a couple that are a doddle to sort out. Why not give them a go?
 
You're perfectly correct - it was out of line of me to refer to your staff as idiots, and I apologise for that, they actually handled my rather irate call well for the most of it. Of course, when I asked for a manager, they were "all in a meeting", and I had to insist before one was found.

I still believe that for a manager to need bother a director (of a company the size of Afrihost) over a matter of R62 is idiocy though, but it's not the staff's fault that they have their hands ties like that.



Using all caps for the word CLEARLY does not make the (literally) small print any clearer. You've had customers on MyBB complaining of the exact issue I faced in the past. Yet you chose to address that not by adding a message in the confirmation process to let the user know that their choice of using the existing and in place system of debit order will adversely affect the delivery date, but by sending them an email a couple of hours later, when it's already done and dusted. An email titled "Payment Delayed" that starts with "Debit Order Clearance Delay" in letters much larger than your "CLEARLY" and much, much larger than the small print. It seems to me there are more productive options than the route you chose.

Continuing to refer back to the policy and system does not work in this argument - I'm not asking to be treated outside of your policy, I'm trying to get you to think critically about those policies and systems and hopefully adjust them. Of course, I made the mistake of calling your staff idiots, which means that you can justify ignoring everything I say as ranting. Please prove me wrong (again) by not doing that.



The thing that makes even less sense is that it's a lot easier to reverse a credit card payent than a debit order. But those are fine? Additionally, I can burn through a hell of a lot more then R62 worth of data in 5 days. If I couldn't, you'd not have any customers to annoy. So forgive me for not being convinced that your systems are logical.

The fact remains that you treat your existing customers (and the cost of a SIM isn't all that much) as you would a walk-in you have never dealt with before. The very fact that after a phone call, your accounts department agreed to set aside the delay and commence with shipping on my order also serves as proof that it's not a big deal.



There is nothing that you have explained that I didn't understand already.

What would have prevented me getting annoyed enough to post here is amazingly simple. A warning when I selected adding the account to my debit order that it would cause a delay which could be prevented by using a credit card for the initial payment. Simple isn't it? Or a different approach - a quick look at my existing account and the fact that there's never been an issue with my debit orders, and that you've got my domain to hold hostage if I default on my payments, and compare it to the small amount involved and reward your customer's loyalty with a little trust. But I'm prepared to put money on it that if I order something from Afrihost in a year's time, that I'll get no warning, and additionally that the address verification tool will still not work properly.

So why continue to irritate your customers? Why not pay attention to the feedback that they're giving you and consider updating your systems from paranoid to merely cautious? You have issues (like the early capping of users with plenty of bandwidth) that are technically tricky and hard to pin down, but here's a couple that are a doddle to sort out. Why not give them a go?

I think the fact of the matter is that it's clear how the process works and it works for hundreds of thousands of other clients. I don't think there is any company in the world that is going to provide a massive loophole to incur exorbitant costs. While we absolutely would love to trust each and every one of our clients (and there are some instances where we do operate on good faith. For example, if you submit an order for connectivity for any other product, where we only incur data costs, there service is available immediately, or long before payment clears. If that payment bounces, we still give a client up to 15 days to settle. Thereafter, we absorb the cost of that data and let the client go. So I think we show plenty of good faith in many area. But asking us to dispense high value items, incur courier costs and run the risk of massive outlay is not reasonable and I don't think any business would do so. Sure, if you walked into our service centre and paid with a credit card, you would get the SIM immediately, which is why if you pay with a credit card, you get your parcel ready for shipping that very same day.

I think you are speaking solely for yourself in this instance and I have to be as clear as I can, your premise is unreasonable. Ultimately it's not a case of making arguments, this is how we've structured our business based on the potential risks (and even with these safegaurds in place we've still be subject to several instances of fraud costing us a significant amount of money) so I don't think we're prepared to create bigger opportunities for fraud. This has nothing to do with us labelling or categorising our clients as good or bad payers, it's purely about running this operation in the most efficient and responsible way possible that works best for the business and the client.
 

You clearly didn't read this part:-

What would have prevented me getting annoyed enough to post here is amazingly simple. A warning when I selected adding the account to my debit order that it would cause a delay which could be prevented by using a credit card for the initial payment.

I'd have done it and fitted in with your system even though I disagree with it, and everyone would have been happy.


That's the last you'll hear from me on the matter - you quite clearly don't care what I think and will ignore any feedback I've given, and I'm not into bashing my head against a wall. Maybe one day you'll be lucky and get a transfer across to Axxess where you can reunite with most of your ex-customers. Oh, speaking of Axxess, I hear they ship SIM cards on receipt of an order where payment is by debit order. Maybe their credit checks are better than yours?
 
You clearly didn't read this part:-

I'd have done it and fitted in with your system even though I disagree with it, and everyone would have been happy.

That's the last you'll hear from me on the matter - you quite clearly don't care what I think and will ignore any feedback I've given, and I'm not into bashing my head against a wall. Maybe one day you'll be lucky and get a transfer across to Axxess where you can reunite with most of your ex-customers. Oh, speaking of Axxess, I hear they ship SIM cards on receipt of an order where payment is by debit order. Maybe their credit checks are better than yours?

Axxess ships the order before payment has cleared, either for Credit Card payments or Debit Orders.

AfriMan does listen to every point that is raised by each and and every User, and we really value any insights and opinions you may have, but there are certain cases where we are not allowed to deviate from policy, and this was unfortunately one of those cases.
 
Axxess ships the order before payment has cleared, either for Credit Card payments or Debit Orders.

Yes, and they have data rollover too...


AfriMan does listen to every point that is raised by each and and every User, and we really value any insights and opinions you may have.

No, not really. I suggested making it clear to potential customers at the time they are finalising their order what the delivery times would be with either payment option, which was ignored in all the justification of why it must be done the way it is.

Additionally I complained a year ago about the address verification tool not working, and nothing's been done to address that yet.

And this really is my last word on the subject.
 
Yes, and they have data rollover too...




No, not really. I suggested making it clear to potential customers at the time they are finalising their order what the delivery times would be with either payment option, which was ignored in all the justification of why it must be done the way it is.

Additionally I complained a year ago about the address verification tool not working, and nothing's been done to address that yet.

And this really is my last word on the subject.

I hear what you are saying, and I guess it's possible that we could have pop-ups at every single click saying "Are you sure?" and "Did you consider this?" but ultimately that will diminish the user experience and make it more difficult for people to easily perform the actions they would like to. In the grand scheme of things, the large majority of clients don't seem to struggle with this, so I think it's reasonable to conclude that the terms are clear and accessible enough to the average client.
 
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